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As a fellow immigrant from the Baltics (I'm from Lithuania, and I suspect Maks is from Latvia), I deeply understand the confusion around legal terms like "courts," "adjudicators," and "tribunals." These distinctions simply don't exist in our home countries, and it's clear Maks struggled with navigating a legal system that demands a much deeper level of understanding from the outset.

The prolonged panic certainly didn't help, and I can empathize, having been in similar stressful situations myself. However, maintaining a clear mind is paramount in these circumstances. Maks, from the very beginning – or even now – it's crucial to methodically deconstruct the entire process, create a precise timeline, and meticulously document every communication sent to councils, enforcement centers, and bailiffs.

It's absolutely vital to follow the instructions provided by this forum's experts and answer their questions precisely. Many of Maks's responses appeared to be clouded by panic, fear, and anger, which regrettably seemed to impede the entire process. When people here ask "what did you send in the letter," they're not looking for a summary; they need the exact wording, word for word. My own experience highlights this perfectly: by following this forum's guidance to the letter, I managed to escape relatively unscathed despite risking 7 penalty charges of £180 each, totaling £1,260. In the end, I only paid £60 for one of those PCNs, all thanks to the invaluable individuals here. A failure to understand and follow these clear instructions may unfortunately be the cause of this significant £1200 hole.

Maks, while I truly empathize with your situation, it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that the lack of adherence to the clear guidance provided by multiple specialists has created this predicament. It may indeed be too late to fully contest this now.

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Hello everyone,

I think this will be last update.

I checked the website of the PCN today, and it finally says "There is no outstanding penalty".

2.5 years passed since submitting documentation. Damn, took them a while.

This epic saga is finally all finished.

Thanks to everyone for help!

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Update:
The email responses were, shall we say, less than illuminating. 
A phone call clarified things... sort of. Apparently, my address is now a historical artifact, permanently linked to a 'Revoking Order' from back when dinosaurs roamed (or, November 2022, same difference). 
Despite explaining I've moved again since then, they insist they can't update it. 
The case has been 'with a supervisor' since said dinosaur era, and they're in no rush. 
Their solution?  'Just keep an eye on your balance. If PCN payment request suddenly drops to £60, call us.' 
So, basically, I'm supposed to monitor a PCN website, for a potential postal notification sent to an address I no longer live at. 

Brilliant.  This three-year-old PCN is clearly determined to outlive us all.

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Hello everyone,

Thanks for your responses.
I have updated the V5 documents and my driver's license online (so much easier now) and received copies with the new address.
I also sent the Birmingham council contact form requesting "any and all corresponding PCN reference xxxxxxxx, to go to a new address provided below"
Oh, I also updated my car and even home insurance address (both come from tesco).

I believe I ticked all the boxes (including mail forwarding).

Thanks for the advice!

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Hello Everyone!

Well, is it yearly, or maybe three quarterly updates?

Since my last update last October - nothing changed. The PCN still appears as £189. I haven't got any letters, calls, or emails.

Still playing this waiting game. However, I am moving the address next month, would it be a good idea to email them and ask (like I had to do before) to send any future correspondence to this and that address? As I wouldn't like to get a surprise visit from a bailiff, in case Birmingham council will go "Oh sh*t, we totally forgot this guy" at some point in the future. It has been over a year and a half since cp submitted the appeal and over two years since the PCN issue.

Is there anything for me to do when moving the address (apart from informing DVLA and getting V5C updated, learned it the hard way)?

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Hello everyone.

This is the transfer of the epic story of success from this very long, 7 pages thread http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=144652

Summed up story. I have received 7 PCN's from Birmingham city council for not paying the clean air zone charge (please, don't ask). However, due to council being very, very slow in processing the court orders, and with the help of cp8759, Neil B, and others, practically all PCN's has been dismissed (some PCN were more than 9 months until they actually reached Traffic Enforcement Centre).

As it stands now, only one, the very last PCN is still open, the KW17059063. This PCN had revoking order issued at the end of September 2022, and cp8759 has submitted representations to Birmingham City Council on November 2022. Reason being, on November 2022, Council claimed that I haven't requested revoking order for this PCN, and therefore they will be enforcing it, make it rain fire etc. I did, however had a paper copy of revoking order, which has been submitted by cp8759, as evidence that I did requested it, and it was granted at the end of September (not sure how council was not aware of revoking orders existence, more than month after its issue).

As you may guess, Birmingham City Council STILL HAVENT PROCESSED IT! It's been almost a year now since representations been submitted, and I was checking the PCN diligently, every week, and it is still at £189 (just as it was before I submitted documentation to TEC to request the revoking order). I assume CP8759, who represents me, still haven't got response from Council, but as he advised me, the longer they drag this, the better it is for me.

So that's that. Once we bid farewell to pepipoo. My story will remain here.

Thanks once again for everyone helping me with this case, especially CP8759.

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