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Many apologies - I've fixed it and reposted it - hopefully it comes through okay.

Many thanks

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Dear FTLA

Wishing you all a PCN free 2026.

As per the thread above, I appealed these PCNs, but received a rejection of these representations. I'd be grateful for your advice or thoughts on taking it to a tribunal.

To restate the original charge: The penalty charge  for the following contravention 52J; 52j; Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles( camera enforcement)
I received 4 of these in short succession, as I used this route frequently at that time.

My letter is attached, The responses are here:

Would appreciate your advice!

Many thanks













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Dear John U.K.

Apologies I thought I had everything in.
To restate the PCN: The penalty charge  for the following contravention 52J; 52j; Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles( camera enforcement)

I think its misleading for two reasons:
1) the sign is only on one side of the road, . I.e. the road at one side by kingston hill, cars are prohibited, while on the other side (crossing Queens Road) there's no sign prohibiting cars. So there's no consistent signage to indicate a consistent prohibition
2) The oncoming side of the road has width barriers, i.e. suggesting that its a certain type of vehicle that is prohibited. This is confusing.
I've used this road many times over the last 25 years, this new enforcement came into place
March 24, 2025: The scheme went live, with the expansion including the Crescent Road restriction.
March 27, 2025: The expansion, including the 'No Entry' from Kingston Hill, was confirmed to start.

Images of the PCN Notices, front and back, are here:
https://ibb.co/Jw5X4jxR









2nd PCN:




3rd PCN:





Location is here:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MdrWDM7EVzUecgZ3A

Hope this covers everything
grateful for your advice!

Best


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Dear John U.K.

Apologies I thought I had everything in.
To restate the PCN: The penalty charge  for the following contravention 52J; 52j; Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles( camera enforcement)

I think its misleading for two reasons:
1) the sign is only on one side of the road, . I.e. the road at one side by kingston hill, cars are prohibited, while on the other side (crossing Queens Road) there's no sign prohibiting cars. So there's no consistent signage to indicate a consistent prohibition
2) The oncoming side of the road has width barriers, i.e. suggesting that its a certain type of vehicle that is prohibited. This is confusing.
I've used this road many times over the last 25 years, this new enforcement came into place
March 24, 2025: The scheme went live, with the expansion including the Crescent Road restriction.
March 27, 2025: The expansion, including the 'No Entry' from Kingston Hill, was confirmed to start.

Images of the PCN Notices, front and back, are here:

Quote
EDIT: There are 3 PCNs - see next post - John U.K.

Location is here:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MdrWDM7EVzUecgZ3A

Hope this covers everything
grateful for your advice!

Best

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Dear FTLA

The penalty charge  for the following contravention 52J; 52j; Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles( camera enforcement)

I didn't notice the sign really.

To make matters worse (for me) I went down this road 3 times. 29/11;3/12; 9/12.

I think its misleading for two reasons:
1) the sign is only on one side of the road, . I.e. the road at one side by kingston hill, cars are prohibited, while on the other side (crossing Queens Road) there's no sign prohibiting cars. So there's no consistent signage to indicate a consistent prohibition
2) The oncoming side of the road has width barriers, i.e. suggesting that its the type of vehicle that is prohibited. This is confusing.
I've used this road many times over the last 25 years, this new enforcement came into place
March 24, 2025: The scheme went live, with the expansion including the Crescent Road restriction.
March 27, 2025: The expansion, including the 'No Entry' from Kingston Hill, was confirmed to start.

A previous poster for the same contravention was advised to appeal on the basis of:
"1. Signage

Proceeding down Crescent Road from Kingston Hill one is presented with a plurality of signs and with no warning signage at all.  The keep left sign is stark and clearly takes precedence in terms of size and meaning. Indeed, there is a no right sign as one approaches from the road on the right so this begs the question of fairness in this regard.

2.  Collateral challenge re the PCN

I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN as it is missing mandatory information as provided at
Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

Clearly, this refers to 4(8 )(iii):

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

Therefore, it follows that the statement: If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make  representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable. adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information


I rely upon the Hackney Drivers High Court case in terms of the clarity required for a PCN to be substantially complaint.

Considering the above, please cancel the PCN."

This was unsuccessful

Would be grateful for your advice
best wishes

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