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Just off St John's Wood Road there is another double vehicle charging twin bay.This is very helpful, thanks so much d612!
This time more properely marked
(Grove End road)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/EdA5UFkuYRQwTKNN7
The signage (traffic sign includes road markings) is compliant and satisfactory IMO.
Let's start with your obligations as a motorist i.e. once parked in a parking place to look for the applicable sign. You were in a parking space in a parking place and did what exactly? How could the road marking mislead you unless you saw it, and if you did and were not an EV and did not charge then at whose door does this lapse land? Are you suggesting that every parking space(you call it a bay, but the correct term is space) should have its own upright sign or road marking?
IMO, you would not stand a chance at adjudication as regards the contravention.
But clearly there are differing views.
Indeed, misleading will be the angle here and will have to go all the way. Sloppy signage that I'm sure generates nice revenues for the council (even the GSV image has a petrol car parked there!).QuoteThe bay that I used has no signage that tells you that it is reserved for electrical vehicles, neither on the pavement not on the pavement. The bay next to it has signage on the floor ("Electrical Vehs") and on a pole on the pavement ("Electrical vehicle recharging point at all times. 8.30am - 6.30pm Max stay 4 hours. No return on the same day"). There is a charging point on the pavement, located between the bay I used and the bay that has signage about being reserved for electric vehicles.
Unfortunately you are wrong with this, although I have to say the carriageway text is misleading. You parked in one of two spaces in a bay reserved for EV charging. How come, do I hear you say ? Because if you look behind the photo of your car you can see a double dashed line perpendicular to the kerb indicating a bay boundary. To the left it is a normal bay, and to the right, the EV bay.
I think it is very misleading to have the sign and carrieaway marking against only one space of the EV bay, so submit reps on that basis, but the council will reject whatever you say. So you must be prepared to take them to London Tribunals on the basis of inadeqate signage under Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
see here: -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
Pl post a GSV of the location.
I plan to challenge on the basis that it is misleading - but is it according to the law? Any other advice?
You were parked in a parking space within a parking place. Each space does not require a traffic sign or road marking. The limits of the parking place are, in your case, marked by double lines which indicate that the parking place is internally divided into parking spaces.
See Section 2, Definitions, of this: https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/assets/Services-Environment/civil-enforcement-officers-handbook.pdf