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Quote from: Ozuma on February 06, 2026, 01:11:02 am

TfL can lawfully use CCTV to issue postal PCNs for parking contraventions in those bays (including restrictions like suspensions).

For a parking place to be suspended, there has to be a parking place. There are no parking places on red routes, the whole road is subject to a no stopping restriction and where there is a bay there is an exception to the no stopping rule, that doesn't make it a designated parking place. This is why, for instance, the 10-minute grace period that applies to parking places does not apply to red route, because there are no parking places at all. You will never find a TMO for a red route that says that such an such a place is thereby designated as a parking place.

Doesn't the link you sent earlier state that it is parking bay in para 7, 8, & 21?

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2023/2889.pdf

A bay on a red route is part of a red route, see Transport for London, R (on the application of) v London Tribunals (Environment and Traffic Adjudicators) [2023] EWHC 2889 (Admin). If it wasn't part of a red route, they wouldn't be able to use CCTV cameras to issue PCNs.

could you please clarify "TFL can't issue code 21 PCNs because there are no parking places on a red route, so there's nothing to suspend." On the document you sent does it not say that there is? Also I saw another thread that CCTV can't be used to issue postal PCNs, but wasn't it overturned by the High Court: The panel's narrow interpretation of "red route" was wrong.
Parking bays on red routes do qualify as part of a red route for CCTV/postal enforcement purposes under Regulation 11(2).
TfL can lawfully use CCTV to issue postal PCNs for parking contraventions in those bays (including restrictions like suspensions).

Hi,

PCN:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Mh6eKKiNt_vfPteAUGp4l4nUG4L2R_3Z

Google Street View:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iFa9AMS43m9kT5SJ6

Pictures:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1QkEFiKjBZ2KkxkMSOO-DoQNQsQRoAmvp

PCN Number: GX32935487
VRN: EN59FCC

Pictures on TfL site, PCN Number & VRN in the link below:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/view-a-pcn


Please advice and I appreciate any help.
Thank you

It seemed you parked right by a suspension sign - what did it say?

Is it still there?

It is not there, we checked on the day we received the PCN

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When I mentioned appealing first before paying he said "it's all yours you can do whatever you like".

Except you cannot do what you like at all, as the law is quite clear; only the registered keeper can appeal.Only if you get a letter of authority from Royal Mail can you appeal the matter. So essentially your cojones are in a rat trap.

I see. I appreciate the help, you just saved me a bunch of time. I'll just pay and get it over with

You need to make your Google Drive links "public". At the moment they are 'Private@ so cannot be opened.

Sorry about that. I've made it public now

PCN:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17ZdGHO4j-4XYepfncpFSIKGGjAUdk0bs

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5960517,-0.0745123,3a,75y,38.43h,67.64t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQx0PHPKJ_EeTKpsuisi8aA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D22.359234541304488%26panoid%3DQx0PHPKJ_EeTKpsuisi8aA%26yaw%3D38.43243646827054!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

PCN Number: ZN17640399
VRN: EN59FCC

For pictures please use the PCN Number & VRN on the link below:
https://haringey.tarantoportal.com/PCNs/Ticket/FindTicket

I was aware of the suspension prior but didn’t know it included Monday 14/07/2025. I thought it was Friday Saturday Sunday (I know, not the smartest individual). I went abroad on 10/07/2025 and parked the car on Elmhurst Road beforehand. I came back to the UK on 13/07/2025 and parked the car on Whitley Road (where the ticket was issued) after in the evening. I don’t remember this parking suspension sign being there on the pole when I parked it would’ve caught my eye since I’m parking right in front of it but I can’t say for certain it wasn’t there.

Technically it wasn’t directly parked in front of house numbers 9, 11, 13. it was parked on the opposite side/ even side (front of House Number 4A) but not sure if this is relevant since in the letter dated 15/08/2025 it acknowledges this by stating “In: opp 9 Whitley Road N17”.

I used my car after work on Monday 14/07/2025 and there was no ticket, so I had no clue I got a ticket until I received a NOTICE TO OWNER letter on 15/08/2025.
My dad appealed without my notice so I don’t know exactly what he wrote nor do I have a picture of it, but I assume he wrote how the ticket wasn’t on the window and that we can pay the discounted rate (£80.00) rather than the £160.00. It got rejected stating once issued it doesn’t invalidate the Notice if it’s not found by the driver.


Appreciate the help!