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Sorry - of course the PCN date is the contravention date...

That's what I get for reading this and watching the football at the same time.  Doh!

Odd coincidence that you should be showing as RK of a car you knew nothing about and three months later you end up buying it.

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And was 05 March 2026 the date of the parking contravention or the date of issue of the PCN?

You've said both in different posts

Do you not know why Greenwich seem to be convinced that you were RK on the date of the contravention when you say you only became RK wef 07 March 2026, and that that is what the DVLA shows? 

"... The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention..."
Yes, 05 March 2026 was the date of the PCN and I bought the car on 07 March 2026, The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention I dont understand how this is possible when I bought the car after the PCN was received, I did do a SAR on the car and it shows I was the RK on the 11/01/2026, a whole two months before I even went to see the car. The car was likely in trade, is it possible to place a person as RK even before buying the car if the car is in trade?


Ah... you didn't mention that earlier...  No idea how you would have been showing as RK nearly three months before you bought it?

You had no earlier connection to the car?

What was the date of the contravention?

And when will your appeal be in front of the adjudicator?

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And was 05 March 2026 the date of the parking contravention or the date of issue of the PCN?

You've said both in different posts

Do you not know why Greenwich seem to be convinced that you were RK on the date of the contravention when you say you only became RK wef 07 March 2026, and that that is what the DVLA shows? 

"... The DVLA sent us your details as being the registered keeper of the vehicle on the date of the contravention..."

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"... The officer then said my insurance was not valid due to minor cosmetic items on my car..."


Sorry but what does this ^ mean?  What did the police say to you about the "minor cosmetic items"?

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Thank you all.

Link to report: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/i7456tfyjr5wnbhskzex6/ahpcn.pdf?rlkey=i6jcmkmikib447ha1eyc6vl4i&st=j6y03lrx&dl=0

I cant see a school on the road in google maps...


Can you please give a GSV link to the location?

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@fezster  -  "... Should I still submit this, even though it is incorrect?"

Which time do you think is incorrect?  The one on the NIP or the one on the submission form?

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Does the OP have it in writing from the insurance company that it should have renewed but it was their (the insurance co's) fault that it hadn't?

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Did you at least keep a copy of your reply?

I know that on it's own it isn't conclusive proof that you sent it back, but if it shows your signature and the date on it then it's another piece of evidence tending to show that you sent the form back in good faith.

Why complete and sign the form and take a copy of it if you weren't sending it back?

(I know it could be argued that you took a copy and then binned it and that you were taking the risk that the police would somehow miss the failure to identify and wouldn't prosecute you, but i think you'd have to be remarkably stupid and dishonest to run that risk.  Mind you there seem to be a lot of remarkably stupid and dishonest people out there...)

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I can't remember driving down that road.I would have been in the area for about 5pm.


So you aren't denying being on that road at all that day?

Could you have been there at 17:31 hours?

I mean it sounds very unlikely, but is it at all possible that the "camera clock" had not been updated to British Summer Time and was an hour behind?

And if it was, would it make a difference...

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Thanks for everyone’s advice. I sent the letters back pleading guilty for the speeding and not guilty for the s172... It’s made me even doubt that I’ve filled in letter correctly. ...


Did you not keep a copy of the plea you sent back?

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So did this form they sent you a link to not have anything to identify it by?

Like a name or a title...?

Its a called "Review a magistrates' court decision", on the .gov website.

Might have been helpful if you'd mentioned that in your first post.

Did you explain to the court staff that you were unaware of the court proceedings?

I think they've sent you the wrong link and they should have given you this one - https://www.gov.uk/appeal-magistrates-court-decision/how-to-apply - which is about making a statutory declaration when you've been convicted in proceedings you didn't know about.

Court staff aren't lawyers and don't always give the most appropriate "advice"...

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So did this form they sent you a link to not have anything to identify it by?

Like a name or a title...?

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Did you resolve it yourself or did bailiffadviceonline help you?

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What would be your mitigation?

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Hi MickR,

There are two online statments from Saga that point to my expectation:
FAQ On their website: https://www.saga.co.uk/car-insurance/faqs?srsltid

How do I renew my policy?
You will be sent a renewal invitation at least 21 days before your renewal date. Your renewal invitation will then also be available for you to review and renew for home and motor policies on MySaga. If you pay by Direct Debit or set up a continuous payment when you took out your policy, don’t worry we will automatically renew it for you.


Once I've purchased car insurance how can I get my policy documents?
We automatically send an email with a link to your documents so that you can review and download them at any time. They will be added to your MySaga account within 24 hours. If you have requested for your documents to be sent out to you in the post, you should receive them within three to six working days.
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Now Read the renewal email from Saga:
You're covered - here are your Saga insurance documents
From
documents@saga.co.uk
on
2025-12-27 07:58

Next
This is an automated email. Please do not reply as this in an unmonitored inbox and your message will not be seen.
Your reference number: xxxxxx
Dear Mr M xxx
Thank you for contacting us about your Saga car insurance policy.
Your amended renewal documents are now available to view. Please usethe link below and check your documents carefully to make sure that alldetails are correct and you have the cover you need.
If any of your information is incorrect or you have any questions regardingyour policy, you can make a number of amendments online, 24/7, by usingour online portal by clicking on the MyPolicy link below. Alternatively
chat online
with our specialist insurance team, or call us on
0800 056 9128
. Lines are open between 8.30am and 8pm Monday

I can forward the email to show you it is authentic.
Regards
mikerc1000

So did you click on the link in that "You're covered etc..." email dated 27 December 2025?

Did it lead you to a certificate of insurance - or any other document - confirming your policy had renewed on 16 January 2026 and was valid until 16 January 2027?

I'm confused by a couple of things:

1.  You seem to say in another post that some documents or emails or notices have disappeared from the Saga portal but you've given a verbatim account of what they said.  Are you saying you saved copies before they disappeared?  (We're insured with Saga and I always save copies of everyhting from the portal).

2.  Did you actually check that the monthly direct debits were being taken after the renewal?

Having said all that if the renewal letter specifically said that as you paid by DD it would automatically renew without you needing to take any action, I would have relied on that

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