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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN (Barking & Dag' Council): 54J Pedestrian Zone Entry (East Street, Barking)
« on: September 12, 2025, 12:15:26 am »
Hey all,
Since I'm (apparently) more likely to be offered a discount upon rejection if I appeal within the 14-day period, I went ahead and submitted my challenge. Unfortunately, BnD Council only allow 1000 characters so I definitely took some help (you know..) to compress it down.
They've even got 5MB limits on their attachments, which can only be jpgs or pdfs. Basically doing everything to slow you down. Even keeps the 'Pay Now' button right at the start of the menu, regardless of which step of the challenge you're filling out. Anyways, here's what I submitted:
Dashcam shows entry 10:51:59–10:52:51 (BST to GMT offset), only 52 secs inside zone. Driver (authorised and insured) turned in error, realised immediately and carried out a safe 3-point turn. No waiting, no unloading, engine running (brief auto start/stop only, car-computer). Signs were not adequately visible: nearside hidden by vehicle A-pillar plus a wide roadside pillar on pavement; offside blocked by unloading van. Advance warning signage was entirely absent, so restriction only apparent when already committed to turn. Council CCTV stills confirm vehicle already manoeuvring to exit. Grounds: (1) inadequate/obstructed signage contrary to Reg 18 of 1996 Regs, (2) de minimis – brief inadvertent entry with immediate exit, no obstruction or risk to pedestrians. Evidence uploaded: dashcam video/stills, Streetview (Sep 2024), council stills and photo of roadside pillar. Keeper respectfully requests cancellation; if rejected, please confirm discounted rate will be re-offered.
Here's the files I attached as 'evidence/documents'
Sequence of stills showing 3 point turn and exit
Signage& obstruction evidence
Let me know what you guys think, any changes you would have done, or points you would add to reps if(when LOL) this gets rejected? Tbh I would have liked to wait a bit longer for people's ideas to drop on the forum, but between the 14-day period expiring and the forum post drying up a bit, I thought I should just send it off.
Since I'm (apparently) more likely to be offered a discount upon rejection if I appeal within the 14-day period, I went ahead and submitted my challenge. Unfortunately, BnD Council only allow 1000 characters so I definitely took some help (you know..) to compress it down.
They've even got 5MB limits on their attachments, which can only be jpgs or pdfs. Basically doing everything to slow you down. Even keeps the 'Pay Now' button right at the start of the menu, regardless of which step of the challenge you're filling out. Anyways, here's what I submitted:
Dashcam shows entry 10:51:59–10:52:51 (BST to GMT offset), only 52 secs inside zone. Driver (authorised and insured) turned in error, realised immediately and carried out a safe 3-point turn. No waiting, no unloading, engine running (brief auto start/stop only, car-computer). Signs were not adequately visible: nearside hidden by vehicle A-pillar plus a wide roadside pillar on pavement; offside blocked by unloading van. Advance warning signage was entirely absent, so restriction only apparent when already committed to turn. Council CCTV stills confirm vehicle already manoeuvring to exit. Grounds: (1) inadequate/obstructed signage contrary to Reg 18 of 1996 Regs, (2) de minimis – brief inadvertent entry with immediate exit, no obstruction or risk to pedestrians. Evidence uploaded: dashcam video/stills, Streetview (Sep 2024), council stills and photo of roadside pillar. Keeper respectfully requests cancellation; if rejected, please confirm discounted rate will be re-offered.
Here's the files I attached as 'evidence/documents'
Sequence of stills showing 3 point turn and exit
Signage& obstruction evidence
Let me know what you guys think, any changes you would have done, or points you would add to reps if(when LOL) this gets rejected? Tbh I would have liked to wait a bit longer for people's ideas to drop on the forum, but between the 14-day period expiring and the forum post drying up a bit, I thought I should just send it off.
"Technical" appeals are a forte of Hippocrates, who posts advice here regularly. Hopefully he'll see this thread, but it's not necessarily a Magic Bullet, but I'll let him explain.I hope he does eventually, would love to hear how he'd frame the Reps
When it comes to it, always opt for a personal hearing, which these days means by telephone or video link, rather than a decision on papers.Absolutely, appreciate the good advice