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Location: Felixstowe Road Car Park, Abbey Wood
Date of alleged contravention: 06/09/2025 (18:18)

Link to PCN: https://drive.proton.me/urls/0FGM12CE78#7EfG4IV773fj

Google street view: Link here. Note: Car park not built at time of Google street view data collection.

Hi all,

Driver parked in a train station car park and paid for parking at 14:25 (2 hours). Whilst away, they remembered their parking had expired so bought another parking session at 19:24 (flat fee from 18:00 until 23:59). When they returned, they found a PCN on their vehicle issued at 18:18.

Please let me know if there is any technical reason this might not be enforceable, otherwise they will pay the reduced charge of £45 by 20th Sept. Many thanks in advance

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Paid £500. Council refunded £250 due to the error described above on their part. Closed

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Any final advice please? Should they simply pay up as there are no grounds in court for a win?

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Hi all,

Hoping for some kind advice whilst assisting a friend who is unemployed and struggling financially.

Timeline of events:
  • 27/07/25 - Date of fixed penalty notice for alleged littering offence of dropping cigarette butt in heavily littered area. Alleged offender claims unintentional and feels harassed by enforcement officers.
  • 04/08/25 – Initial appeal/complaint sent via APCOA online portal regarding incorrect location on FPN (see below). Auto-response acknowledgement from APCOA received on same date.
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    Dear Sir/Madam,
    I am writing to formally challenge the Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) issued to me, going through this process, as I believe it has been incorrectly recorded. On 27 July 2025, I was walking through Lampton Park, located at postcode TW3 4FD. However, the FPN states that the alleged offence occurred in Feltham TW14 0HP, with a completely different postcode. This discrepancy raises concerns about the accuracy of the notice.
    I trust that any available footage or location data will confirm that I was in Lampton Park at the stated time, not in Feltham. In light of this error, I respectfully request that the FPN be cancelled. I look forward to your response,
    Regards
  • 13/08/25 - 'Reminder Letter' dated 11/08/25 received in post from Hounslow Council. New FPN dated 11/08/25 (same date as letter) shown on reverse containing corrected location information. Letter states fine 'now increased to £500' (from £250) - without the reduced payment period having been offered for the new FPN as wording suggests. Original FPN number shown as voided when viewing online portal.
  • 28/08/25 - 'Final Reminder' dated 26/08/25 received in post from Hounslow Council stating to make £500 payment within 7 days of the letter date to avoid prosecution in Magistrates Court
  • 29/08/25 - Subject Access Request (SAR) sent to Hounslow Council by alleged offender requesting all evidence including body footage of enforcement officer for both FPNs.

Notable points:
  • Incorrect location on original FPN.
  • No response received from APCOA after online portal appeal/complaint on 04/08/25.
  • Reminder letter received dated 11/08/25 for a new FPN with correct location - FPN also dated 11/08/25
  • New FPN not received at all by alleged offender
  • Same reminder letter 'increased fine to £500' without offering reduced charge time period for new FPN
  • Original FPN showing as voided after checking manually on online portal
  • Payment deadline to avoid criminal prosecution is Tues 2nd Sept
  • Mitigating personal circumstances: Alleged offender cites 'severe emotional distress' at the time of alleged offence, which can be supported by Hounslow NHS Mental Health Integration Network (MINT) therapist.

Link to all documents: https://drive.proton.me/urls/S6YCWHK6HR#pYnNBht1Pr80

Clearly this feels like procedural impropriety? Please let me know if you have any advice at all as the alleged offender is otherwise looking to pay on Monday to avoid criminal prosecution. Thank you for your time

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Location: Plumstead Common Road (Greenwich)
Date of alleged contravention: 02/04/2025 15:49
Date of Letter: 24/04/2025

Link to PCN and evidence provided: https://drive.proton.me/urls/G2GPFZVT3R#jXAWyf9xarMW

Google street view: Link here

Hi all, looking for your help with this one please. Any technical issues to appeal upon? Driver thought box had been cleared as the side road had been cleared. Is box positioning beyond junction a path forward here?

Other thoughts: ?'inexact locus' as more than one box junction along Plumstead Common Road. ?de minimis. I'm no expert

Marked urgent please as I believe driver needs to pay by end of today/tomorrow for reduced charge. Thank you in advance

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On the balance of things, I will pay tomorrow as I personally cannot see anything worthwhile to formally appeal against. Thank you for your post

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You're right, I meant 8th April for reduced payment and not 8th March.

I have read online that there may have been a 56 day time limit to be sent the notice of rejection and they may have exceeded this. Does this apply in my case? It seems the only reason to potentially avoid paying this tomorrow. Many thanks

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Location: Felixstowe Road Car Park, Abbey Wood
Date of alleged contravention: 12/12/2024 (20:24)
Date Challenge Sent: 13/12/2024
Date of Challenge Rejection Letter: 26/03/2025

Link to PCN, challenge rejection letter and photographic evidence: https://drive.proton.me/urls/KT5Z4AA8S0#U3zVOhiaGDoI

Google street view: Link here. Note: Car park not built at time of Google street view data collection.

Hi all,

The driver parked in a station car park at 19:25. They remembered later in evening they had not paid and then paid via RingGo app at 21:45 (£2.50 for overnight parking after 18:00). Upon returning to their car at 22:30, there was a PCN affixed to the windscreen of the car (time of contravention 20:24). This car park has changed their operating hours last year as they previously operated only between 8am-6pm every day. It now operated at all times, every day. This is the reason the driver forgot to pay in their haste to catch a train in the evening.

Please note the challenge was submitted on 13th December, but the rejection letter was received much later (dated 26th March). The challenge was a general plea to cancel it as the driver had paid for a ticket before they arrived back to the car, though it was too late.

Please let me know if there is any technical reason this might not be enforceable, otherwise they will pay it by 8th March for the reduced charge of £30. Many thanks in advance

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Success!:

Date: 27/09/2024
Dear (Driver),

Thank you for your recent communication in connection with the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).

Please accept our apologies for the delay in responding. I can assure you that this is not standard practice, and we are working hard to reduce the wait times. Whilst we have investigated your case you have not incurred any additional charges and your statutory rights have not been affected. Thank you for your patience.

The PCN was issued as your vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge.

Having carefully considered the contents of your letter, we have decided to close the case and no further action will be taken.

You have stated in your correspondence that the machine was not working and you paid by RingGo.

Drivers must make payment either at the machine or by phone or app immediately after parking.

Please note, it may not be possible to cancel future penalty charges if issued in similar circumstances.

I can confirm that this penalty charge is closed and no further action will be taken.

Yours Sincerely,
Parking Support Officer

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Decided against any appeal and paid the fine in this case

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Thank you all, very straight forward outcome:

"1 August, 2024

Dear XXX,

Parking Charge Notice Number: XXX

Thank you for your recent communication.

I have noted the points you raised and would like to confirm that we are canceling the Parking Charge Notice.

If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely,
Smart Parking Ltd"

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Date of alleged contravention: 19/07/2024
Time of alleged contravention: 20:51
Location: Felixstowe Road Car Park, Abbey Wood

Link to PCN and photographic evidence of signage: https://drive.proton.me/urls/AZ9DBH9ETW#OBGOlFAl3NzC

Google street view: Link here. Note: Car park not built at time of Google street view data collection.

Hi all,

The driver parked in a station car park at 19:25. They remembered later in evening they had not paid and then paid via RingGo app at 21:45 (£2.50 charge for parking after 18:00). Upon returning to their car at 23:30, there was a PCN affixed to the windscreen of the car (time of contravention 20:51).

Note: This car park has very recently changed their operating hours as they previously operated only between 8am-6pm every day. It now operated at all times, every day. This is the reason to driver forgot to pay in their haste to catch a train.

I also would like to highlight that the pay and display machine was out of order as evidenced by the photograph.

Please let me know if there is any technical reason this might not be enforceable. Many thanks in advance!


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Acknowledgement received by email 07/07/24:

"Thank you for your recent communication.

We can confirm that your appeal has been received and that all action has been suspended pending adjudication. We will endeavour to respond to your appeal within 28 days.

If your appeal has been received within 28 days of issue of the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) and your appeal is unsuccessful, the PCN will revert to the amount outstanding at the point of appeal and the payment terms will be extended.

Please remember to check your junk and spam folders periodically.

Yours sincerely,

Smart Parking Limited"

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Much appreciated, I (registered keeper) have responded as above

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