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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: trafic enforcement agency
« on: September 07, 2026, 03:11:42 pm »
Quote from: pms01 on September 07, 2026, 02:14:37 pm
Is this a real court, my MP Mr Alan Cambell wont confirm or deny, Leader of North Tyneside council replied "cant interfere with council business" what is she there for ?

Traffic enforcement agency hold "hearings" where the defendant can not appear, cannot give evidence and is not told when the hearing is or where it is. They just rubber stamp what the council tell them. This cannot be British Justice.

i now have bailiffs calling at my door with a "bill" i will not pay until a judge or magistrate orders me to, not some council clerk saying "your guilty, pay up"

I believe that your MP is referring to the Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC)

TEC are 'part of' Northampton County Court. They are a processing centre (link from my website is below). While it is true that you cannot attend a hearing, you certainly can provide 'evidence' by way of an Out of Time application etc.

Refusing to pay 'until a Judge or Magistrate orders you to' is not wise and will almost certainly lead to your vehicle being immobilised or towed away.

PS: One of the roles of the Traffic Enforcement Centre is to 'provide authority' to the local authority to issue a warrant of control (authorising a bailiff to seize your goods).

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Kingston Council – N244 + EX160 not showing at TEC – PCNs on hold – Equita bailiff
« on: September 07, 2026, 12:47:47 pm »
Quote from: Bailiff Advice on September 07, 2026, 12:11:18 pm
As Kingston Council had agreed to resolve the previous 5 PCN's, I am at a loss to understand WHY they would have refused to grant permission for your Out of Time application to be submitted late. I would certainly suggested that a Formal Complaint be made to Kingston. You should also request a copy of their response to TEC.

PS: I would strongly suggest that you also ask Kingston if they had received any returned correspondence.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Kingston Council – N244 + EX160 not showing at TEC – PCNs on hold – Equita bailiff
« on: September 07, 2026, 12:11:18 pm »
As Kingston Council had agreed to resolve the previous 5 PCN's, I am at a loss to understand WHY they would have refused to grant permission for your Out of Time application to be submitted late. I would certainly suggested that a Formal Complaint be made to Kingston. You should also request a copy of their response to TEC.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Kingston Council – N244 + EX160 not showing at TEC – PCNs on hold – Equita bailiff
« on: September 07, 2026, 11:58:26 am »
Quote from: min502 on September 06, 2026, 10:58:05 pm

I had already provided TEC with my full and correct address, and my PE2/PE3 applications themselves also contained my full and correct address.

My N244 applications were outside the 14-day time limit, and I was aware of this when I submitted them. In section 3 of my N244, I specifically asked for leave to file the application outside the 14 days of service because I had not received the refusal order.

I also specified in section 8 that the application required a District Judge.

I submitted both N244 applications on 17 June 2026.

There is so much confusion with N244 Applications for seeking a Review of a Court Officers Order.

Firstly, there is a misconception that TEC refuse OOT applications. That is not true.

The PE2 and PE3 are sent to TEC by the motorist for 'processing'. TEC in turn will notify the council of the application by email and a few days later a copy of both forms are sent by post. The council are informed that they have just 19 business days to decide whether or not they are willing to give permission for the stat dec to be submitted late.

If they are willing to grant permission, they don't need to reply (as the application will be accepted if there is no response within the 19 business day deadline.

If the council are unwilling to grant permission (which Kingston appeared to have done), then they should outline the reason why and the  application forms and Kingston's response is then passed to a TEC 'Court Officer' for an 'impartial decision'(as to whether the council made the right decision.

Sadly, in the 14 year that I have provided advise to motorists on OOT applications, I have only ever come across 3 cases where the 'Court Officer' overturned the decision of the council !!

The TEC Court Officer is given 4 'grounds' to refuse an OOT application. As you had not received the rejection notice, you are at a disadvantage as you do not know WHY the application had been rejected.

Coming now to the N244. You appear to have completed the correct boxes.

Did you provide the PCN number in the Claim number box?

Did you provide your correct email address at the end of the N244 Application form? Have you checked your junk mail folder for any emails from TEC (or CNBC)?

Did you send the forms (and EX160) to the correct email address (which is: Applications.CNBC@justice.gov.uk


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Dart Charge PCN – missed first-time £3.50 concession while away
« on: August 27, 2026, 01:09:32 pm »
Even with Out of Time applications, they are more willing to accept applications than almost any other local/charging authority.
 

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bailiff stage, OOT rejected
« on: June 22, 2026, 01:46:40 pm »
Quote from: unknowndriver on June 21, 2026, 11:02:47 pm
Hello everyone,

With the help of a friend, I submitted the first OOT statement just before Christmas. Did not receive responses from TEC.

I then called TEC few weeks ago asking for case updates and they said they received the first OOT statement in mid January, sent out responses but they didn't receive at my address.

I explained this to TEC and they advised me to do another OOT and this time Redbridge responded first. Newham have still yet to respond.

Would it be ridiculous of me to apply for anther OOT statement

If an Out of Time application is rejected, you simply cannot then submit another OOT in the hope that the newer one would be accepted.

The only route for you is to consider whether you have grounds in which to seek a review of the rejection. That would require an application being made on an N244. Depending on our financial position, there is a court fee of £123 for such a 'review'. If you receive qualifying benefits, you can claim an exemption from paying the fee. Further details on an N244 application is here:

https://bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/index-page/traffic-enforcement-centre-tec/traffic-enforcement-centre-and-n244

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Southwark PCN – Order for Recovery received – police report later revealed TRACE relocation
« on: June 21, 2026, 05:21:31 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on June 15, 2026, 12:03:53 am

Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting bailiff letters.

The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75 to what you owe the council.

If the bailiffs visit you, another £235 is added on.

I should have posted about this sooner. On 1st May 2026, bailiff fees were increased. The compliance stage fee of £75 is now £79. The enforcement fee of £235 has also risen to £247.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/366/regulation/3/made

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
« on: May 13, 2026, 07:59:36 pm »
UPDATE:

Having now read all of the documents, I could see where there had been some confusion.

The OP's company had moved address and only became aware of PCN's in late May 2025 when contacted by occupiers at the previous address.

On 6th June 2025, The Director of the company (the OP making this thread), contacted TfL via their website to advise that they had moved address (new address also provided). TfL refer to this communication as being 'representation'. As the Director was not the Respondent, TfL sent a '3rd party authorisation to both the current and previous address. The Director responded on 1st July 2025 on company headed correspondence (carrying the current business address) stating again that they had moved address.

TfL confirmed receipt but then did something daft. They issued a Notice of Rejection to the 'representation' and sent this document to the PREVIOUS address.

Four months later, and despite being notified twice (on 6th June and 1st July) that the company had moved address, TfL progressed the matter to debt registration and the issue of Orders for Recovery followed by warrants of control....all to the previous address.

To be clear, the company had updated their Log Book shortly after being aware of the PCN's.

Correspondence was sent to TfL citing the landmark Court of Appeal case of Carr v Vehicle Control Services (2025). 

TfL have been exceptionally helpful and confirmed today that they had cancelled all the PCN's.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bristol CAZ - order for recovery appeal deadline incorrect on letter OR on TEC system.
« on: May 13, 2026, 07:10:35 pm »
Quote from: Faye G on May 12, 2026, 05:11:08 pm
Hi everyone - looking for some advice on whether I can claim back costs for a review of a decision by TEC.

Here's the relevant timeline

The Order for Recovery arrives 21 August with a date of 11 September by which I need to pay or appeal

I fill in the TE9 form sent by the council to TEC by post.


Refile a TE7 and a TE9 by email.

TE9 form from this address: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1094491/Parking_TE9.pdf

First mistake was in sending your Witness Statement (Form TE9)to TEC by POST. This is a 'time sensitive' document and should ALWAYS be sent to the Traffic Enforcement Centre by email. It would then have arrives at TEC 'within time'.

As difficult as it is to believe, the Traffic Enforcement Centre have TWO different forms TE9. One is referred to by TEC as being the 'short form' (in that it has 4 boxes), with the other TE9 (referred to a the long form) having 6 boxes.

For a Bristol CAZ, you should have used the TE9 with 6 boxes.

I receive many hundreds of enquiries about the wrong forms being used. ChatGPT, Claude etc, do not help as they continue to give out the wrong information on these forms.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bristol CAZ - order for recovery appeal deadline incorrect on letter OR on TEC system.
« on: May 13, 2026, 06:55:12 pm »
Quote from: Faye G on May 12, 2026, 05:11:08 pm
Hi everyone - looking for some advice on whether I can claim back costs for a review of a decision by TEC.

So the question is: given that the cost of the review is £313

The fee of £313 is for a hearing 'in person' in court. TEC are looking at removing this right so unsure whether it has taken effect yet. Almost certainly you should be considering an N244 Application to review WITHOUT a hearing. The court fee is £123.

From many years of knowledge of Out of Time and N244 Applications, I don't know of even ONE case where a claim for costs has been granted.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
« on: May 08, 2026, 10:31:24 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on May 08, 2026, 10:24:34 am
Escalating a complaint to TFL outside of the process could also be an option.

And that is exactly what I would be suggesting.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
« on: May 08, 2026, 10:19:46 am »
Quote from: tedpower34 on May 07, 2026, 09:35:32 pm

I am going to proceed with the N244, I guess my main question now is can I recover the £939.00 this is going to cost to get an in-person hearing and can we claim for damages caused by this?

As I pointed out in my above post, you would need to ask the Traffic Enforcement Centre whether or not they are allowing 'in person' hearings. I personally would not suggest going that route.

Despite many requests on a N244 for the court to grant an order for return of the court fee, I have only ever seen one case where costs were granted. That led to the local authority appealing the order (they won the appeal).

Please do take advice before completing N244 Applications. I did send a PM to you yesterday.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL N244 Form from congestion Charge PCN
« on: May 07, 2026, 11:35:42 am »
Quote from: tedpower34 on May 06, 2026, 09:42:46 pm
Back in May 2025 we received 3 PCNs for failing to pay the congestion charge.

I gave the new address during the appeal process.

I promptly wrote back to TFL stating this was not an application for 3rd party representation and explaining that we have moved premises since the PCN were issued and can all correspondence go to the new address. I have proof of postage / tracking and a copy of this letter.

The vehicle address was updated with the DVLA. I heard nothing more about the PCN's until 12th January when a bailiff reached out to me at the correct address with a warrant of control.

We have now received a refusal on the 3 applications stating that we have not provided acceptable proof for why the statutory declaration was filed late and it looks like our next step is pay or file a N244 form.

It looks like the fee is £313 is this per form or can the 3 be grouped together and can I recoup this if I am successful?

I have highlighted above the most important points.

An N244 fee is either £123 for having the case reviewed by a District Judge WITHOUT you needing to attend the hearing. Alternatively, if you wished to attend a personal hearing, the fee is £313.Unfortunately, the fee is charged for EACH PCN number.

The Ministry of Justice are looking at removing the right for the motorist to elect for a personal hearing.

PS: Because you had contacted TFL and notified them that you were moving (and you provided them with your new address), you should have excellent grounds in which to seek a review. There has been a recent Court of Appeal case on this very point.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TfL tunnel charge PCNs – bailiff stage – TE7/TE9 submitted – non-receipt due to address change
« on: May 06, 2026, 11:43:10 am »
Quote from: zerotonin on May 04, 2026, 11:13:50 pm

But the key point stands: out-of-time statutory declarations are about non-receipt of the PCN, not arguing the merits or blame of the contravention.

Not quite I'm afraid. With an unpaid PCN, a Witness Statement or Statutory Declaration should be sent to the Traffic Enforcement Centre within 21 days of an Order for Recovery being issued. If sent within that time frame, the Order for Recovery will automatically be revoked and the Charge Certificate cancelled. The local authority will then re-issue the PCN to you.

If you were unable to submit the witness statement within 21 days of the OfR being issued, (usually because of a change of address), legislation (Para 4.1 of CPR 75) allows you to make an application for a longer period than 21 days to be given for filing the witness statement. This is what is referred to as an Out of Time Witness Statement.

On the form PE2 or TE7 (Application to file witness statement 'out of time', you are specifically required to outline the REASON as to WHY you had been unable to file the witness statement within 21 days of the Order for Recovery being issued.

What is an Out of Time Witness Statement

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bailiff for PCN that was sent to wrong address.
« on: January 21, 2026, 10:59:47 am »
Quote from: snikers on January 20, 2026, 11:39:51 am
Date on the V5C is 27/06/2024. Purchase was made few weeks before we received V5C. Date on the Notice of Enforcement is 17/07/2025 and in Spetember 2025 baillif arrived with Notice of Enforcement.

I'm slightly confused. You mention that the date of the Notice of Enforcement was 17th July and that the bailiff visited in September 2025 with a Notice of Enforcement.
 
 
What date was the Notice of Enforcement issued?

It should have included a PCN number and date of the contravention. What date was given for the contravention?

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