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What was the outcome. I know this may sound like a silly observation, but how did they identify it was your number plate for the PCN to be issued. Judging by the PCN and video evidence Ealing have provided. The number plate on the PCN cannot be established and so this fails its first evidence test.

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Here is the location, and the NRT signs, (two), look clear enough. Not only that, they taken the trouble to alter the road layout to make it more obvious that one should go left only.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pio4f81h75Joydnq5

So did you just chance your arm, or was there another reason for missing the signs ?

Final advice really requires we see the video, so please download it from their website and post it here.

Find video link below, I even indicated, unusual for a BM driver, must have had my 3 shredded wheat that morning!  :o  :o

https://youtu.be/LydHlysPZ7Q

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Just received this PCN from Ealing Council last week for no right turn, any points for representation?

Thanks guys.

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Sorry, it was your use of the term "Council PCN " that has confused me. It is not a PCN, but a Notice to Owner, and the council claim on the NtO they served a PCN. But you say you received nothing at the location of parking.  So, no service of PCN and service of a Notice to Owner is a procedural impropriety. They should have served a postal PCN instead.

So what you do now is submit reps on the basis that the NtO is a procedural impropriety because no PCN was served to driver or car at the location where the contravention is alleged to have taken place.

Post up their reply when you get it. Do not pay the NtO. If they fail to give way, take them to adjudication.

HOwever, it would be prudent to check their website for any photos if you haven't already done soi=.  Most CEOs are trained to take a photo of the PCN stuck on the windscreen.

You're star, I wrote a letter and challenged it for "procedural impropriety" as my representation and got a letter today to say the PCN has been cancelled. Thanks so much  :)  :)

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No, half of £130 = £65.

But the letter no longer offers the 50% discount, see attached :(

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OK, so no PCN was served. Council will claim it was in preparation and served a postal PCN in accordance with the process defined in the TMA 2004, so have behaved correctly so far.

If the loading bay sign had no times, it means it applies 24 hours. If no days, then its 24x7.

It's up to you now whether to submit reps or just pay-up.


Okay thanks for advice, so you saying had the PCN been placed on the car and paid it would have been £45 and now its £130,00. Cheers, so I won't waste any more time playing with words, its probably cost me £200 of time farting around with thinking about this already. :-\


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Can you be a bit more explicit on why no PCN was served. PCNs can be served to car or drive. Service of a Notice to Owner without first serving a PCN is a procedural impropriety, but we have to be clear on what happened "on the day".

I left the scene before the PCN was completed and put on the car, so it was not served is my definition. My understanding its either its cancelled or a posted PCN with a discount offer of 14 days, then an NTO follows, but an NTO 32 days later has now arrived with full payment being requested.

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Thanks for suggestion, Find attached rest of document.

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Hi Guys,

I've received three days ago a Council PCN that was never served but claimed to have been served, two issues the loading bay had no time of day restrictions, and car was observed in photo for 1 min apart, how best to deal with this. On the face of it looks like car moved while warden observed from a distance and was not able to issue paper work but NTO claims it was.

See attached, (note other 5 pages contain just how to pay, make representation etc etc so not uploaded.

Any help appreciated with the response.

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