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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: August 26, 2026, 05:35:32 pm »
Sure - here you go. Note of Rejection - https://ibb.co/HTtDq4jk

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: August 26, 2026, 04:44:48 pm »
@Incandescent - You were right. Notice of Rejection received. If I pay within 14 days, the PCN is discounted to £80 - I won't be doing that. I will be appealing but going into it as a first-timer so as little apprehensive, I must say!

Any advice on here on out is appreciated.

Not sure if I should post the redacted Notice of Rejection or not, so I'll leave it until requested.

Their reasons for rejection:
1. The car was parked on double yellow lines, where parking/waiting is prohibited at all times - but their online guidance says unloading/loading is allowed?
2. Considered your explanation but said you didn’t provide independent evidence proving that loading was taking place - I provided all the information I shared prior - dump booking, photos, witness statement, new kitchen order etc. Not sure what else I could provide to prove I was loading?
3. Loading/unloading is allowed on double yellow lines where permitted, but it must be continuous. The CEO can observe the vehicle to determine whether loading is happening.The CEO notes say they observed your vehicle for 3 minutes and recorded no loading/unloading activity. Because no activity was seen during those 3 minutes, they treated the vehicle as parked rather than loading and issued the PCN. - Should/Could I be asking for evidence that they waited for 3 minutes? Surely 'notes' is not enough? I would also like them to explain how to manoeuvre and load a 45kg+ oven out of a flat in under 3 minutes.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 23, 2026, 12:21:33 am »
That’s helpful - thank you. I like that approach better, so will amend.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 22, 2026, 04:42:21 pm »
You would be surprised! The entire kitchen, once broken down, was loaded into the vehicle and taken to the dump over 2-3 trips. The first trip was the heaviest and was the day after the PCN as help was required on the day the PCN to move the heaviest items such as the oven, biggest units etc.

I have photos of the kitchen before it was dismantled and after it had all been removed, but not a photo of the stuff actually dismantled in a pile for example.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 22, 2026, 03:40:38 pm »
I've drafted a representation, and any feedback is appreciated!

https://ibb.co/yBd5WDJT

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 17, 2026, 03:15:53 pm »
We weren’t dismantling whilst the car was parked. We were loading into the car but some items were heavier than others (such as the oven) so we had to figure out how to lift them between us, hence the delay.

The evidence I can provide is what I previously mentioned so a booking for the dump for the following day, photos of the old kitchen, order of the new kitchen and a witness statement.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 17, 2026, 11:58:31 am »
@Incandescent
Okay, thanks. I’m happy to take it to LT if it gets to that point. The parking permit delay (which I understand isn’t relevant) has got me riled up and given me fighting energy!

@tincombe
The link to the NtO was shared above. Here it is again. Let me know if you can’t access it and I can look to share another way. https://ibb.co/JWZBQdPN

And yes, it was addressed to myself.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 16, 2026, 11:41:04 pm »
Noted and agreed on the parking permit stance.

I’m afraid that the only document I have is the NtO. I threw away the PCN ticket, as I thought the appeal would be fine.

Ah, yes, apologies. Here is the GSV link. https://maps.app.goo.gl/gPZqfJWSEnaqrYuB8?g_st=ic

Here’s a screenshot where I’ve circled in green where part of my front wheel and front bumper was over the double yellow line. There are no yellow kerb blips, or any signs regarding loading restrictions. The street is a dead end road, on a housing estate.
https://ibb.co/Hfznxr7D

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN - Wandsworth Council - Parked on double yellow whilst loading - Newtown Street
« on: July 16, 2026, 04:40:22 pm »
Hi there - thanks in advance for any help!

Situation
- On the 28th April 2026, I parked on Newtown Street (SW11 5HH) whilst loading my vehicle with an old kitchen that was being taken to Wandsworth dump the following day.
- Whilst loading, my car bumper was over the double yellow lines, and subsequently, I received a PCN because of that. There are no parking signs down this street.
- I saw the ticket being issued and ran out and explained I was loading my car and can move it now, but the CEO simply said it had already been issued.
- I was in the long process of waiting for a car parking permit to be issued. The permit should have taken 2 weeks but it took 12 weeks as the council admitted issuing it to the wrong person and then also losing my form.
- In my appeal, I mentioned that I was loading my vehicle and I went into detail about the issue with not yet receiving a parking permit, and that if I had the parking permit, I would have not had to park there.
- Of course, the PCN appeal was rejected and a Notice to Owner has been issued. In hindsight, I should have reached out here first, but I stupidly thought that based on my appeal and the council admitting fault, the PCN would be cancelled.

Resources
1. The PCN - I can't find a copy of it, but can request it if needed.
2. The appeal letter - I can't find a copy of it, but can request it if needed.
3. The Notice to Owner - https://ibb.co/JWZBQdPN
4. Parking enforcement protocol in Wandsworth listed on the councils website. Screenshot of page 6 of the PDF - https://ibb.co/Z650BQ2t

Next Steps
- I want to make representations to Wandsworth council, but this time, I am going to focus on the loading part vs the permit issue, and want advice on how to make it as water tight as possible.
- I have until the 27th of July to submit this representation.
- On Wandsworth councils website (https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/pcns-and-parking-fines/about-penalty-charge-notices-pcns/), they have embedded a PDF file called 'Parking enforcement protocol'. Within this PDF, on page 6, it says that a PCN may be cancelled if unloading/loading, and outlines a varying observation period depending on the size of the vehicle from a minimum of 2 minutes to a maximum of 20 minutes.
- On the PCN received, there was no mention or time frame for observation period. Just a single time listed.
- The PCN photos show a 1 minute difference from the first photo to the last photo, which could show they didn't following any observation period guidelines.
- I have an email confirming that I booked a time slot for a visit to Wandsworth dump the following day.
- I can get a witness statement for the person who helped me dismantle and load the old kitchen into my car.
- I have confirmation emails of a new kitchen being ordered.

Questions
1. Does this feel like a valid argument?
2. For the reasons of A-J, what would the suggests be that this falls under? I believe it's J.

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Private parking tickets / Re: National Parking Control (NPC) Parking PCN – DCBL Ltd - No Permit – Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH
« on: June 25, 2026, 09:09:55 am »
Ah, that's a shame. The driver has learnt their lesson! The letter originally went to the RK, and they weren't happy with receiving it so the driver thought it was best to admit that they were driving..

I guess then the best angle is wait until I receive a LOC, do mediation and pay the original fee?
I haven't found any cases where the defence of 'I tried to pay during the 14-day discounted payment window, but only the full £100 amount was offered' has worked.

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Private parking tickets / Re: National Parking Control (NPC) Parking PCN – DCBL Ltd - No Permit – Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH
« on: June 24, 2026, 11:14:36 pm »
@jfollows
Thanks for your input. Are you suggesting that @InterCity125's 'The NtK fails to meet the requirement of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e)' argument is, therefore, unusable as the driver has been identified? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

@InterCity125
Thanks for the direction. I had a look and came across the below after a few hours down a rabbit hole, but reading these posts and following on from jfollows point, does the fact that the driver has been identified in this case affect the requirements of PoFA argument?
1. https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/11/mr-pickups-fun-day-out.html
2.  https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2018/03/court-report-uk-cpm-lose-on-pofa-and.html

And noted re the CCJ.

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Private parking tickets / Re: National Parking Control (NPC) Parking PCN – DCBL Ltd - No Permit – Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH
« on: June 20, 2026, 12:30:21 pm »
@InterCity125
Oh okay, thank you. I think I'm understanding it now. So because the NtK literally doesn't say "The creditor does not know the name and address of the driver" but instead references 'The driver", they haven't met the requirement of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e)?

Would you be able to direct me in the direction of where I can find that it's been tested in court? I've done an online search, but am not coming up with much, I'm afraid.


Also, as part of the appeal, the driver did admit that they were driving so that the owner of the vehicle stopped receiving letters. I believe that this was the wrong thing to do, but will it come back to bite the driver?

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Private parking tickets / Re: National Parking Control (NPC) Parking PCN – DCBL Ltd - No Permit – Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH
« on: June 20, 2026, 11:10:21 am »
@Sander333
Thank you. Noted that it's an invoice, and not a fine, and also that they'll rely on The Interpretation Act.

And no, I did not appeal to IAS. I did plan to if the appeal was rejected, but as I didn't see the rejection and forgot about it altogether, I missed the window to appeal.

Here is the space the driver parked the car, along with the signs. Fully aware of the stupidity! https://ibb.co/WNtbWLBS + https://ibb.co/BVKgtfxL.


@InterCity125
Thanks, but reviewing the NtK, it does say the below, so doesn't that meet the requirement?

"YOU ARE NOW INVITED TO (i) Pay the unpaid Parking Charge; or (ii) if you were not the driver of the vehicle, notify us ... of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver..."

and later:

"...if after the period of 28 days ... we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we will have the right to recover from you..."

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Private parking tickets / National Parking Control (NPC) Parking PCN – DCBL Ltd - No Permit – Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH
« on: June 18, 2026, 05:01:34 pm »
Firstly, thanks in advance to any help provided!

Situation:
- On the 30th December 2025, the driver parked off of Ambury Road South, PE29 3EH, and did not realise it was private parking.
- The car they were driving was borrowed for a short while from a family member.
- The family member received the PCN letter in the post on the 21st of January for a £60 charge, and gave it to the driver. The PCN letter said it was posted on the 8th Jan 2026, but the letter did not arrive until Wednesday 21st January. According to the terms set out in their notice, the date of the notice is deemed to be the second working day after posting — so the 12th of January - and based on that date, the 14-day discounted payment window should have expired on the 26th January. However, when the driver attempted to make payment on the 24th January, only the full £100 amount was offered.
- The PCN pictured the private parking sign, which the driver had missed.
- The driver appealed the PCN citing 1) Late Delivery/Unreasonable Notice Window 2) Failure to Provide Practical Opportunity to Pay Discounted Rate 3) Presumption of Delivery / Burden of Proof, and asked for the PCN to be cancelled all-together.
- The driver then forgot about the appeal due to life things happening (family grief, losing their job, not yet getting a new job etc.). Not an excuse, but just additional context.
- A few days ago, the driver received a letter from DCBL Ltd dated the 4th June 2026 regarding a 'final notice of tended legal action' for £170. They had received no prior letters from them.
- The driver contacted NPC and they resent an appeal outcome letter (which was rejected) dated 23rd February 2026. They said this was emailed to the driver, but they cannot find it in their emails, so assume that it must have gone into their spam folder and was missed before it was deleted after 30 days.


Notices Received:
- Here is the original PCN received back in January 2026 (https://ibb.co/r2mTHcgX).
- The driver doesn't have a copy of the exact appeal letter written, but it's something along the lines of this (https://ibb.co/Z62jWGHw). These attachments where provided alongside the appeal (https://ibb.co/qL6fFwwQ).
- This email was sent from NCP when the driver requested the appeal outcome letter in June 2026 (https://ibb.co/1Y81KVxz).
- Here was the appeal outcome letter that was emailed to the driver in February 2026, but they cannot locate it (https://ibb.co/5WJx9ZrX).
- Letter from DCBL dated 4th June (https://ibb.co/4ZfCrWpq).


Questions
1. Should the driver send a Subject Access Request to NPC to obtain everything they have around the fine, including the exact appeal letter?
2. Does the driver ignore all the letters from DCBL Ltd, until a letter from DCL Legal arrives?
3. Is there enough grounds to follow it through to court if needed?

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