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Breeches are clothes, I think you mean breaches.

Noted... And you think that this typo might have a material (yes, the pun is intended) impact on my representation?

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Ok, your thoughts please on this first draft for a representation:


"Dear Sirs,
I write to make representation in regard to Parking Charge Number: HP4906820 received to my registered address in an envelope without a date stamp on 23rd April 2026.


The driver of the vehicle in question was a customer in my party at the Table Table restaurant venue - Willow Farm for an Easter Lunch. The driver had every intention to register the vehicle but had been distracted by some jovial welcome comments made by the staff and accidentally neglected to register the vehicle on the terminal within the entrance of the restaurant.
The lead of our party can prove that we, as a party, were customers at the Table Table and they offer a screenshot (from part of their bank statement) of payment made to Table Table of £67.40 which was subsequently processed by the banks on the 7th April 2026 following the bank holiday.

I am disappointed to receive the Parking Charge Notice 19 days after the alleged breach and a full 7 days after the alleged Parking Charge Issue Date of the 16th April 2026.
I also find it unfair that the time limited fee of £25 is only applicable if received within 14 days of the issue date, when the notification has already taken 7 days to arrive.


On further review of your letter, there are several breeches to the Protections of Freedom Act 2012 (POFA). Most notably, Paragraph 9 of Schedule 4 of POFA stipulates that:


“(5) The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.
(6) A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.”


I therefore request that you either cancel the charge with immediate effect or supply evidence that the Parking Charge Notification letter was posted in a timely manner in compliance with sub-paragraphs 5 and 6 of paragraph 9 within Schedule 4 of the POFA.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course."[/br]

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For transfer of liability it needs to get to you within 14 days, so it was out of time. If PI don't play ball and you appeal to Horizon you can include this in your appeal and ask them to provide proof they posted it in the required time frame.
Thanks for this, Richard. I was under the impression that it only needs to issued within 14 days of the incident, and that it is deemed to have been received the next working day..?

The envelopes are no longer date stamped.
Well typically, Premier Inn/Table Table/Whitbread has no interest in cancelling the charge and have told me (verbally) to appeal to Horizon with proof of debit from a bank statement.

I plan to supply a bank statement proving patronage at the site and I'll cite that the notice only arrived on the 23rd. I'll also cite the strangely obscured guidance notice on page 3. What other potential non-compliances of POFA are on the PCN so I can be as compelling as possible in the first instance? Thanks.

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For transfer of liability it needs to get to you within 14 days, so it was out of time. If PI don't play ball and you appeal to Horizon you can include this in your appeal and ask them to provide proof they posted it in the required time frame.
Thanks for this, Richard. I was under the impression that it only needs to issued within 14 days of the incident, and that it is deemed to have been received the next working day..?

The envelopes are no longer date stamped.

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What date did you receive the notice?
Only received the notice on Thursday 23rd April. This is why I feel rushed about it. I worked on Friday and yesterday so my earliest opportunity to get images of the signage was today.

For context, the 3rd was Good Friday with the 6th being Bank Holiday Monday. The earliest they could have processed it was 7th, but it still took a fortnight to get to us.

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Hi gang,

Another private Parking Charge Notice. As a family we dropped into the local Table Table venue after a family day out. There is signage about the carpark which the driver hadn't notice because they had been to the venue before (albeit years ago). There is a terminal within the entrance of the restaurant, but the driver had been distracted by a joking quip by the staff on our entrance. The place was completely empty and when we asked for a table, the staff frowned and asked if we had made a reservation. Not blaming them for deliberately distracting the driver but consequently we all completely missed the terminal.
There were 2 cars in our party and both have received a parking charged notice.

My plan is to just send proof that I was a patron of the venue by evidencing the debit from my account, but I wondered if there was a procedural or admin matter that may make the charge nulled. Particularly on page 3 where the 3rd paragraph has details about contesting the Parking Charge is obscured by a random QR-type code.

Any advice appreciated as always. Images and signage below. Thanks.






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I have made the following representation:



The PCN (TT60600913) I received is unlawful and unenforceable because it does not conform to clause  (e) of Section 2 of Schedule 2 of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022.

The clause states:

"that if the penalty charge is paid no later than the applicable date, the penalty charge will be reduced by the amount of any applicable discount, and"

The PCN does not state the amount of discount applied or the reduced total.

Full particulars of the relevant section within Schedule 2 is quoted below.

Particulars to be included in a penalty charge notice given under regulation 9
2.  The information to be included in a penalty charge notice served under regulation 9 is—

(a)the date on which the notice is served,
(b)the regulatory matters,
(c)the grounds on which the civil enforcement officer issuing the notice believes that a penalty charge is payable,
(d)that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred,
(e)that if the penalty charge is paid no later than the applicable date, the penalty charge will be reduced by the amount of any applicable discount, and
(f)that if the penalty charge is not paid within the period of 28 days referred to in sub-paragraph (d), a notice to owner may be served by the enforcement authority on the owner of the vehicle.

Separately to this, as a non-resident of the borough that lives in another London Borough where  Disabled Badges DO NOT require the separate ownership of a parking permit, I find it discriminatory for the London Borough of Tower Hamlets to be predating on people with disabilities and believe it contravenes the Equality Act 2010 in victimising people with disabilities.

I therefore request the PCN cancelled with immediate effect.




I shall report back on how I get on. Thanks, Incandescent.

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Hi gang,

Merry Christmas to you all. Just took my daughter home after Christmas to her home in Bow. I am a Blue Badge holder and was aware that there are parking restrictions in place. It was my previous understanding that blue badge holders could park on single yellow lines, but a previous experience where I received a PCN on single yellow had knocked my understanding on the rule. On reflection, the previous incident was more because I had straddled the pavement rather than it being on a single yellow line, but that's why I got confused.

Anyway, there was a space in a permit holders only bay. I live in a CPZ where blue badge holders DO NOT require a resident's parking permit, although I buy one anyway for when my wife uses the car. So when I saw the bay I (wrongly) assumed I was permitted to park. On our return, 36 minutes later we were met by a parking enforcement officer who then told me he had given me a ticket for parking in a permit holders only bay. I explained that I was not familiar with the local authority because I live in a London Borough where blue badge holders are allowed to park in CPZ areas. He said he would put a note on the system and told me to appeal it. I doubt his note if entered counts for anything where revenue is concerned. There were no appropriate single yellows to park on.

I suspect I'm banged to rights but attach the PCN below incase there is a discrepancy in the wording to invalidate the ticket. I notice the reduced amount is not specified but know I might be clutching at straws.
As always, I appreciate your input.



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Please show us the back of the notice. Civil Enforcement just want your money and will not uphold an appeal along the grounds you suggest. Your first port of call should be the GPs surgery.

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Hey guys, another former Pepipoo patron here.
Last Monday 01/12/2025 I was unwell and arranged to get a GP appointment whose carpark is managed by Civil Enforcement. I was aware that I would need to register my vehicle inside but on entering the car park, which was full but for one space, I maneuvered my car to reverse into the space and some a55h0le drove into it behind me.

I was stuck, feeling unwell, panicked about he parking issue and no where to go. I briefly parked my car directly in front of the offending **** and went in to check in so as not to miss my appointment with the intention of then registering the vehicle and returning to my car to move it.

The receptionist grunted at me to use a wall-mounted electronic check-in device which I did, but I noticed that some patients were leaving and I wanted to grab their parking space so as not to be a further obstruction. I went out, moved the car and came in for my appointment. It was only on the way home I realised that the device had not asked me for my vehicle details and I then realised that while I had checked in, I hadn't registered the vehicle.

The Parking Charge notice came in today quoting: 'Failed to obtain a permit in accordance with the notified terms'.

I'm happy to upload the PCN along with a photo of the signage, but in the first instance wondered if this could be appealed on the basis that I can prove that I had an appointment and that the company has not been financially impacted by my inadvertent breaking of the contract.

The car park is free for patrons of the surgery (obviously on the basis that they register). It was my understanding that it was not lawful to seek such high penalty charges for these breaches and that they can only charge for the lack of remuneration caused by the infraction. I also thought that if I could prove I was expected and not maliciously abusing the space without justification, that it might be difficult to enforce the charge.

Your thoughts. Happy to get an image of the signs if required.

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