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Thanks, that’s helpful — I understand the distinction being made regarding responding to the fixed penalty versus earlier correspondence.

Just to clarify, I’m not relying on “engagement” as a defence in itself.

What I’m trying to understand is slightly different:

• DVLA acknowledged receipt of my written representation submitted on 28 Nov
• The subsequent enforcement action took place shortly after
• The documentation I’ve now received appears to proceed on the basis that no written reply had been received

So my question is whether the accuracy of DVLA’s own record (i.e. whether a response was received and considered) has any bearing on how the case is approached, particularly if the prosecution relies on that version of events.

I appreciate the general point about the offence being strict — I’m just trying to understand how this aspect fits into the SJP process.

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This is a criminal matter, just holding up your hands and saying you know you are committing an offence doesn't give you any immunity from prosecution.

You had plenty of time to have the battery replaced and moved the vehicle. Suggest you plead guilty as nothing you have said is going to form any part of a defence.

I understand the general point about the offence being strict.

Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting that simply contacting DVLA prevents liability.

My concern is more specific to the facts of this case:

• I submitted a written representation to DVLA on 28 Nov explaining the situation, which was acknowledged
• The vehicle was then clamped and removed on 5 Dec
• DVLA later issued a penalty notice stating that no valid response had been received

The letter I have now received appears to proceed on that basis. I’ve attached it here:
https://storage.to/HkQGDMDpi

I’ve highlighted the key section (page 5) which states that no written reply had been received.

So my question is whether that apparent inconsistency — between DVLA acknowledging receipt and then later stating no response was received — has any bearing on how this should be approached in the SJP, rather than disputing the general rule itself.


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The “ongoing representation” does not hold any water. Your car must either be taxed or declared (and kept) off road.

If you do anything other than plead guilty in response to the SJPN you will face a trial and almost certainly be convicted (bar a major administrative balls-up). The fine and costs will then be considerably higher. The long and short of it is that if you have a vehicle that is immobile and the tax expires you must get it shifted off the road.

A couple of things I don’t understand:

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– I had an active Direct Debit which was not collected

Why was it not collected? When did the tax expire?

In any case, why didn’t you just tax it? Was the point of your representations to get the DVLA to waive the tax for the period it was immobile?

Thanks, that’s helpful.

To clarify further:

• The tax was not renewed because the MOT had expired, which meant the Direct Debit could not be processed
• Around that time the vehicle became immobile due to battery failure, so I was unable to move it to obtain an MOT
• I did not ignore the situation — I submitted a written representation to DVLA on 28 Nov explaining the circumstances, which was acknowledged
• Despite that, the vehicle was clamped and removed on 5 Dec, and DVLA later stated that no valid response had been received

I understand the general requirement to either tax or SORN the vehicle, but my concern is that I had already engaged with DVLA about the situation before enforcement action was taken.

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That info from DVLA is correct - but missing perhaps the additional information that if on the road the car must be taxed and insured. You haven't told us what offence DVLA is pursuing you for, nor the timeline.  However, in general these cases are black and white - on the road + no tax = problem, no tax or SORN in place = problem, or taxed + no insurance in place = problem. They don't even have to see it - the computer adds 2+2 and spits out the fine.

Thanks, that makes sense in general.

To clarify the specific position in my case:

• The vehicle was on the road and not taxed at the relevant time (I understand that point)
• However, I had already submitted a written representation to DVLA on 28 Nov explaining the situation (vehicle immobile, etc.), which was acknowledged
• Despite that, the vehicle was clamped and removed on 5 Dec
• I then submitted a formal follow-up/appeal via the DVLA online system on 10 Dec

So my concern is less about the underlying rule, and more about whether enforcement action was taken despite an ongoing representation/appeal.

I would appreciate any views on whether that affects how this should be approached in the SJP.

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What does "I relied on incorrect DVLA guidance regarding SORN" actually mean?

Thanks for coming back to me.

By that I mean that when I contacted DVLA previously regarding the vehicle, I was advised that a SORN could only be made once the vehicle was physically off the public road, for example in a garage or on a private driveway.

As I do not have access to a private driveway or garage, and the vehicle had become immobile due to battery failure, I understood from that guidance that I could not declare SORN while it remained parked on the street.

Based on that understanding, I did not submit a SORN at that stage and instead sought to resolve the situation once the vehicle could be moved.

In hindsight, I appreciate that this understanding may have been incorrect, but it was based on the guidance I received at the time.

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Hi all,

I would really appreciate some guidance on a DVLA Single Justice Procedure Notice I have received.

Timeline:

• 28 Nov 2025 – I submitted a full written representation to DVLA (case ref 2529128) explaining that:
– the vehicle was immobile due to battery failure
– I had an active Direct Debit which was not collected
– I had been advised incorrectly regarding SORN requirements

• DVLA acknowledged receipt

• 5 Dec 2025 – The vehicle was clamped and removed despite that representation

• 10 Dec 2025 – I submitted a formal follow-up/appeal via the DVLA online system (accepted and acknowledged)

• Dec–Jan – I received generic responses but no clear confirmation that my appeal was being properly processed

• 2 Jan 2026 – DVLA issued a penalty notice alleging no valid response

• Now – I have received a Single Justice Procedure Notice

Key issue:

The DVLA witness statement says no reply was received, which is factually incorrect as I have acknowledgements of my submissions.

Key points:

• I did engage and respond before enforcement action
• The vehicle was immobile and not being used
• I relied on incorrect DVLA guidance regarding SORN
• Enforcement action appears to have proceeded despite my representation

Questions:

Does this sound like a defensible “not guilty” position?
Should I rely on the earlier representations as my defence?
Is there anything specific I should include or avoid in the SJP response?

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Happy to upload the SJPN or any specific pages if that would help.

Thank you.

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Hello senior members - apologies - did anyone get a chance to view this latest post ? Any inputs would be much appreciated thanks

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Hi Quick update for everyone — including @H C Andersen, @John U.K., and @mrmustard who have been involved earlier in my case -

I’ve now received the Notice to Owner, which arrived today (10 June) but is dated 4 June, so I’ve already lost 6 days of the 28-day response window.

Here is the document attached

Would appreciate advice on next steps. Should I now proceed with formal representations using the “contravention did not occur due to circumstances beyond my control” angle, as previously discussed (hospitalisation, caring duties, inability to return home), or do I need to reframe anything further at this stage?

Thanks again

https://ibb.co/k6PjVZ4S

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Hi mrmustard, thank you for your offer of help and for watching my thread. I appreciate your willingness to assist pro bono and your impressive success rate. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, including John U.K. and H C Andersen and stamfordman, for their advice and support. I'm sorry for the delay in responding - yesterday was a challenging day as I was in the hospital with my father. I'll definitely keep your offer in mind and email you once I receive the Notice to Owner. Thank you again for your support.

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hi @ H C Andersen - then what should be my next steps - was waiting for others to chip in as you said but haven't had any traction since.

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thanks - I did submit it to them in the first account - but they totally seem to have disregarded it

https://ibb.co/Tq1K4XMK

are we able to submit another (These being:
You weren't there to move the car. You had not planned to remain at the hospital but that due to the circumstances(which you will set out) you could not return to move your car.

And, as it happens, the battery or whatever was flat therefore even if you had returned it is questionable whether you could have arranged to move the car in time.)

or do i have to wait for the next stage

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hi @ H C Andersen thanks for picking this up as a Hero member.

no other vehicle - my neighbour gave us a lift

The car in question was parked correctly in a permit holder space on 13 April.
A suspension came into effect on 14th.
At some time on 13th you had to take your father to the hospital in the second car where you remained with him until he was discharged on 14th after a PCN had been issued because no-one was in the house to move the car before the suspension came into effect.
Ans : you are absolutely right in the sequence of events


The reason the car in contravention wasn't moved is because no-one was there to move it, or have I got this wrong?
Ans : you are absolutely right

why you stayed with your father overnight and into the next day. If the answer is because he's your father and at that time returning home to move a b****y car was not your No.1 priority, then so be it!
Ans : you are absolutely right
To add the other reason is also because he is 77 and was not even in a position to talk to doctors or knows about the medication that he is taking (bit of alzheimers dementia) I am his carer and because of his condition he feels safe around me and the hospital / doctors do not function without my presence - hope that clarifies

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