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Quote from: Hippocrates on 29 Aug, 2024 17:31Appeals are held at Hearing Square, Angel Square, Upper Ground Floor, Block 2, London EC1V 1NY      What happens if I do not pay, or do not appeal?Should you fail to pay or appeal to the parking adjudicator, then a charge certificate will be issued, increasing the charge by 50%. You have 14 days in which to pay this. There is no further right to appeal at this stage.  I'm sorry, I don't understand the relevance of this. Please explain.

As expected, Redbridge have rejected the representations but their response does not appear to have properly considered them.We should now like to appeal, so help would be appreciated in drafting the appropriate wording.@cp8759 ?https://1drv.ms/b/c/115d8d1fa1656300/ES8hqpCfgZ9El3yh62CZGIoBpqlc-dbe_jIGDQb8DUp5GA?e=nlGY1f

Quote from: cp8759 on 19 Jul, 2024 17:38@Staygulf honestly you can just use the draft in reply 11 above, there isn't really any need to say anything more than that.@cp8759 Just to be sure, I used those words for the informal challenge. Are you suggesting I should merely repeat them for the formal representations or should I put more meat on the bones as suggested by H C Andersen but include those words again?

the NTO has now been received.@cp8759 are you able to assist in drafting suitable representations to LBR please?https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RvGW3j8o2W92Ecupl?e=aUTUsb

Quote from: cp8759 on 22 Jun, 2024 14:37You have 28 days from the date of receipt to submit representations. Is there anyone who could check your post for you?28 days from receipt of the NTO? But they will surely await 14 days to see if we make payment before issuing the NTO? That takes us up until 4 July and we are back on 14 July.

As expected, @cp8759, the council have issued a rejection notice, rather quickly:-https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgBjZaEfjV0RvCMA_MpohCjcxw__?e=nGWwYAWe will await the NTO and than make a formal appeal to the council. I guess this may arrive when I'm away (25 June to 14 July) but I assume we will have a few weeks after then to appeal.Help with drafting the appeal will be thankfully received.

Thanks.I'll proceed as planned.

@cp8759 what I meant was that the Order is mentioned on the pay meter and thus drawn to the attention of the driver. But I agree that no one would know what is in the order when parking and your point about the blue badge had crossed my mind.I assume that the council will reject the reps, as they normally do, and we will then have to decide whether to take it to appeal. What do you think the chances are of a win?

Thanks for that @cp8759.Just to be clear, are you saying that reference on the pay meter to the Order is not enough, they have to include a reference to parking within bays specifically?

I propose the following representations, any comments or suggestions please?PCN No AFReg No These are my representations against the above PCNI reverse parked between two other cars and did not realise that my wheel was over the white line as I thought it was a parking space. When I returned to my car, the other cars had gone, revealing that my wheel was over the line.At present, I do not believe that the PCN should have been issued.I paid for a valid parking session within the instructions given on the tariff/ parking signage.The regulations shown on the signage state:“No parking on red or yellow lines, pavements, grassed areas or passing bays. Vehicles must not cause an obstruction. Failure to comply with the above will result in a PCN being issued”There is nothing on the signage which requires cars to be parked properly in marked bays failing which a PCN will be issued. I therefore followed the regulations.The signage also states that the car park is subject to the London Borough of Redbridge (off street parking places) Order 2013.I have been unable to locate a copy of this order. It does not exist anywhere on the internet, it is not on the LBR website, I have contacted both the LBR offices and the central library at Ilford, neither of whom have a copy.There is also a telephone number on the signage which states:“For all enquiries please contact Vision RCL 020 8500 9911”This gets you through to the boathouse at Fairlop Waters and they have no clue about the parking arrangements for the car park. Totally misleading.I respectfully request that, as there appears to be nothing which directs a driver to park within the marked bays, the PCN is cancelled.If you decide not to accept my representations, I require you to send me a copy of the aforementioned Order so that I can decide whether to appeal.H T

Any further thoughts on my question?

Thank you H C Andersen for alerting me to that.Here is the signagehttps://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3TkiDnTT7xWTluR?e=cXoXknThis makes reference to the London Borough of Redbridge (off street parking places) Order 2013 as amended. I've trawled through the internet but can't find it. Does anyone have access to it please or know where I can find it?It also shows the "regulations" the breach of which gives rise to a PCN. As I've previously mentioned, these do not include parking properly in bays. Should they for it to be enforceable?Here is the photo showing my daughter's car being parked outside the bay. She reverse parked between two other cars and didn't even see the marked bay at the time as it was hidden.https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3UrtRFh5r_mrQ00?e=WuEI5Y

Here's the reverse of the PCNhttps://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru27eMd07INQ3iXD5?e=MM8SUJ

That's all my daughter sent me. I'll ask her for the reverse.But what relevance is anything on the reverse to my question?

This is the google street view linkhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/hxH3W7qCSd8wQjxV6This is the pcnhttps://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru21TWOCQ2vsQsSRm?e=c5JFsJThe only TMO I can find is the Redbridge (Waiting, Loading, Stopping and Street Parking Places) Consolidation Order 2021.However, this does not appear to cover off street parking such as Fairlop Waters, so what legislation forces a driver to park within a parking space?