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Thank you. You're absolutely right, I hadn't appreciated that the parking sign on the opposite side of the road doesn't apply to my bay.

My remaining concern is that the council refused to provide the suspension authorisation, suspension log or installation records when I requested them, instead directing me to make an FOI request. If this goes to formal representations or tribunal, should they be disclosing the evidence they rely upon rather than requiring an FOI request?

Also, has anyone come across any ETA decisions where a single suspension sign was considered inadequate for a suspension extending from Nos. 5 to 19?

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Thanks for your reply.
Just to clarify the layout. I was parked outside No. 11. Opposite me are the shared entrances for Nos. 6/8 and 10/12. The nearest parking place sign is between those entrances and is effectively opposite where I parked. That sign did not have the yellow suspension notice attached. The suspension notice was instead fixed to a street-light column approximately 7 metres away towards the junction. Is that something an adjudicator might consider when deciding whether the suspension was adequately signed?

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https://maps.app.goo.gl/yEpWGkxPW9fdtnk86

I was parked outside No 11

Rejection letter:
Dear Mr Ken
Challenge Refused
Penalty Charge Notice : HZ5991439A
Date of Contravention : 23/06/2026 at 12:30
Vehicle Registration : LN72
Location : PENNARD ROAD
Thank you for writing to us about the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
Why the PCN was issued?
The PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked in a suspended parking bay during
controlled hours.
Your challenge
You have stated that:
On 23 June 2026, I parked my motorcycle in Pennard Road. I entered the bay from the
end opposite to where the suspension sign was located. The suspension covered a
lengthy section of parking bay outside Nos. 5 to 19 Lanark Mansions, yet only one
suspension sign appears to have been displayed. There was no suspension sign
positioned at the opposite end of the suspended section to alert motorists approaching
from that direction, nor was there any sign located near the point where I entered the bay.
In my view, the suspension was not adequately signed given the length of the suspended
area and the reliance on a single sign. Having reviewed the council photographs, I note
that the suspension related to a substantial stretch of bay. Had additional signs been
placed at both ends of the suspended section, the restriction would have been much
clearer to motorists approaching from either direction. I respectfully request that the
Council exercise its discretion and cancel the PCN in the circumstances.If the Council is not minded to cancel the PCN, I would be grateful if you could provide:
1. A copy of the suspension authorisation.
2. Confirmation of the date and time the suspension sign was erected.
3. The suspension log and any records relating to the installation of the suspension
signage.
4. Photographs showing all signage used to indicate the suspended section.
I am a responsible motorist and would not knowingly park in a suspended bay. I
respectfully ask the Council to give careful consideration to this challenge and to cancel
the PCN.
My findings
Council officers can suspend the use of parking bays for reasons such as:
• to provide access for people moving house
• to provide access for utility companies who need to do street works
• to provide access for Council contractors (drain clearing, tree pruning, etc)
• to provide access for funeral cars
When we suspend parking, we place yellow warning signs in the area at least seven days
in advance, these warn motorists that a suspension is (or will be) in force. No vehicle may
park in a suspended area while the suspension is in force, unless the space was
suspended for that particular vehicle.
I note your comment regarding the positioning of the signage and the the suspension was
not adequately signed given the length of the suspended area. The relevant regulations
require clear and adequate signage to notify drivers of any suspension. In this case, the
suspension notice was installed at the location prior to the date of suspension and was
visible on the day the vehicle was parked in contravention. The suspension signage clearly
indicated the extent of the suspended area and the dates and times the suspension was in
effect.
I acknowledge your request for a copy of the suspension authorisation, confirmation of the
date and time the suspension sign was erected, the suspension log and any records
relating to the installation of the suspension signage and photographs showing all signage
used to indicate the suspended section. You would need to submit a Freedom of
Information (FoI) request using the below link:
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/councillors-and-democracy/data-and-information/freedominformation
The Civil Enforcement Officer’s (CEO) notes state that; following a period of 7 minutes
observation, over which no activity involving the vehicle was seen, the PCN was issued.
Drivers have the responsibility of checking signs and markings, and must act in
accordance with them. I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued.
My decision
I have considered what you have said and all the available evidence, but I do not agree
that we should cancel your liability for this PCN.What happens next
Your options are detailed below.
If you wish to pay at the discounted rate of £80.00, you may still do so, provided we
receive your £80.00 payment within 14 days of the date of this letter. THIS OFFER WILL
NOT BE REPEATED. Once these 14 days have expired, the full charge of £160.00 will
become due.
How to pay:
By MASTERCARD, VISA CREDIT, VISA DEBIT, or MAESTRO:
Online: at www.lbhf.gov.uk
By Phone: by calling us on (020) 7371 5678. We have an automated payment system
that you can use at any time.
By Post: please make all cheques and postal orders payable to the `London Borough of
Hammersmith & Fulham`, writing your registration number and PCN number on the back,
cross your cheque or postal order `a/c payee` and send it to: LBHF Parking Services, PO
Box 4666, Worthing BN11 9FY - (PLEASE DO NOT SEND CASH BY POST).
How to take the case further:
1 If you do not pay, we will send a `Notice to Owner` to the keeper. This form offers the
keeper the chance to formally challenge the PCN, or to pay the full charge (by this time it
will be too late to take advantage of the discount). If you are not the registered keeper, let
them know what you decide to do and that a Notice to Owner will be issued to them in due
course.
2 If we still disagree with you, the keeper can take the case to the Environment and Traffic
Adjudicators; they are independent and their decision is binding on both sides.
Yours sincerely

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I received a PCN (Code 21s) from Hammersmith & Fulham for parking in a suspended bay in Pennard Road.

The suspension covered Nos. 5–19 Lanark Mansions. There was only one suspension sign, and I approached from the opposite end of the bay.

In my informal challenge I requested:

the suspension authorisation;
the suspension log;
confirmation of when the suspension sign was erected; and
photographs showing all suspension signage.

The council rejected my challenge and did not provide any of those documents. Instead, they directed me to submit a Freedom of Information request while asserting that the sign had been erected before the suspension and that the signage was adequate.

Is it correct that the council should disclose the evidence it relies upon during the enforcement process rather than requiring an FOI request? Also, does anyone know of any ETA decisions concerning suspended bays where only one suspension sign was used for a long section of parking bay?

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Thank you guys. I think I will just pay the £160.00 for both and put it to bed. Thank you again for quick response.

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Hi,
I had a hire scooter (motorcycle) in 2019 where I had 2 tfl camera parking fines but I have never received anything in the post. I only found out about them few weeks ago and went up to almost £900 as per the debt collector agency letter. I have made an a witness statement appeal through the court and last week received the court answer. They revoked the TFL PCN debt collection and recovery. Yesterday, I received the original tfl PCN's and was asked to pay the original charges within 21 days.
My question is. do I have to pay them? one of them was on the dotted red box at 18.58 (2 minutes before I was allowed to park). The other one was at the same place but I parked on the kirb, which is in my understanding for scooter/motorcycle is subjective.

Many thanks guys

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