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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Private hire driver (Uber) - TFL - SW8 South Lambeth Road - 46: Stopped where prohibited
« on: July 01, 2026, 09:42:37 am »
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You can pick up and drop off passengers on most red routes as long as you display your private hire vehicle (PHV) license. It will tell police, CCTV operators and other road users that you're allowed to do this. It also means that you'll avoid receiving a penalty charge.
Maybe that's a clue, especially from the photo.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Confirming speed: SpeedCurb camera
« on: June 30, 2026, 05:35:51 pm »
Quote from: BruceA on June 30, 2026, 03:02:00 pm
Given that the police will not allow me to check, what is my best option? Clearly, the easy/safe option is to suck it up and take the speed awareness course.
You've answered your own question: take the course and not a stain on your character. If you carry on questioning things, then this'll go straight to court as the police may consider you are disputing the allegation, and court is the only place to do so formally. Think about it: they are alleging you exceeded the limit by nearly 50%. Can you honestly claim you were doing 20 or less (doing less than 110%+2 is not good enough on its own)?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: s172 road traffic act
« on: June 15, 2026, 06:10:44 pm »
Is the s.172 notice in relation to the same incident as the insurance one, or is this something new?

If the former, then you should provide what you can, which is not a lot. But do let them know of your correspondence with the insurance company (on a separate, attached letter if necessary). The more you can back up your claim of "not me, I was nowhere near", the better.

Speculation: could be that the "victim" got hold of an incorrect VRM at the time of the alleged incident, and you are now the unlucky target.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Untruthful police report
« on: May 20, 2026, 10:18:47 am »
Quote from: onlyme on May 19, 2026, 11:25:45 am
Anyway folks, I caved in with it all and near enough begged the awareness course to be reinstated as I figured the stress, time and effort to fight it (regardless of the result) would outweigh even accepting even the current COFP (3pts; £100). I figure myself lucky that they were happy to offer the course again.
Indeed, consider yourself lucky that they re-offered the course. Apart from the cost and time, you never know, you may learn something useful. And you'll come out of it with not a stain on your copy book.

Quote from: onlyme on May 19, 2026, 11:25:45 am
I do wonder "what if..." but feel lighter not having it hanging over me.
A pointless exercise ;). Do the course, get on with life.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP for sp30.... but I was miles away!
« on: May 15, 2026, 10:45:31 am »
Quote from: DisappointedPanda on May 13, 2026, 02:40:46 pm
I have access to the photos.
The show the car, driver is heavily shadowed and the manufacturer logo is black, but mine is chrome.
Is the VRN clear on the photos? Is it correct? Sometimes it's a plate misread, getting a character incorrect.

Clones are less common, though not unknown. A "smart" cloner will clone the same make/model/colour of vehicle, but less likely to get all the identifying features the same. Get photos of the differences between your car and the one in the photo, and approach the police with them.

What's the deadline for responding formally to the S.172 you have, i.e. how much time do you have for "negotiations"?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Sjpn for 100mph on dual carriageway
« on: April 27, 2026, 05:57:35 pm »
Quote from: Thedocta46 on April 27, 2026, 04:51:28 pm
but was on the way to a funeral i also lost my Mum earlier in the year
Anything that suggests you were distracted and that you didn't have your mind on driving is best left unsaid.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Permanent "temporary" signs
« on: April 24, 2026, 11:04:07 am »
Which is the longer period: the length of time your "temporary" road signs are present, or the length of time where you get told "we are experiencing unusually high call volumes at this time"?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding NIP - wrong location
« on: April 21, 2026, 08:18:31 am »
According to GSV, the road does transition between a 20 and a 30 limit between the two endpoints described. What was the alleged speed and limit?

Regardless of that, your mum must respond to the NIP. And if not significantly over the limit, there's no need to stress. A course or even 3 points and a fine are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things (assuming no accumulated points thus far).

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News / Press Articles / Katie Price banned (again)
« on: April 08, 2026, 11:21:58 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gjp7xwjyzo

Not wanting to get into whether she has some mental health issues that result in her getting into so many scrapes with the law, and seemingly (not for the first time) burying her head in the sand and failing to respond to the S.172, but the article is a little odd.

It talks about the SJP being "secretive" and that "it is not known if Price was given the chance to argue against another driving ban." Surely the SJP doesn't dish out bans, presuming this is another totting ban. What it commonly said in these forums is that a potential ban (totting or otherwise) will trigger an in-person hearing in a court, to offer the chance of pleading exceptional hardship. Or maybe she just ignored all court letters as well, which results in the default action of SJP and totting ban.

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The Flame Pit / Re: New 4D Speed Cameras
« on: March 28, 2026, 03:34:53 pm »
Quote from: andy_foster on March 22, 2026, 06:23:35 pm
4D is a somewhat creative use of language. Whilst a "dimension" in physics can be pretty much anything that can be measured, 3D refers to the 3 cartesian dimensions - length, with and height, or the x, y and z distances from a given origin, in perpendicular planes.
Are they trying to suggest that they are able to measure both the exact location of the target as well as its speed and direction (and don't start going all Heisenberg on me :)? If that's the case, then it should be 6-D as you need 6 pieces of information to specify location and velocity (using the proper use of the term velocity which shows speed and direction). That could be regular x,y,z cartesian coordinates, or some combination including angles and points of origin.

But in essence, it's all marketing bo****ks, in the same way as 3-D and 4-D number plates.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: UK Red Light Camera – crossed stop line from right-turn lane to go straight (straight lane green). Any chance to dis
« on: March 15, 2026, 05:32:21 pm »
Quote from: NewJudge on March 15, 2026, 11:56:22 am
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents

It specifically refers to “filter lane” type signals. It clearly states that a driver may proceed beyond the stop line in the direction indicted by the arrow. This is what the OP did and I believe no offence has been committed.
That sort of "filter lane" surely would be where there is a single set of lights where the main green light is not an arrow, and the green right arrow is part of that set of lights to the right of the main green? That allows you to move forward in the filter lane on the main green and even to make the turn if it's clear. The green right filter light then indicates you can go (with the usual caveats) as the oncoming traffic has been stopped by a red.

In this case there are essentially two sets of lights: one controlling ahead and left turning traffic; the other controlling right turning traffic. Each controls its own lane(s). I would hesitate to try to use your logic therefore to say there is no offence here. (Not saying I know the answer, just that I think your argument is shaky.)

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Use of mobile phone potentially leading to a totting up ban & conflicting legal advice!
« on: February 09, 2026, 09:29:24 am »
Quote from: andy_foster on February 08, 2026, 09:46:59 pm
Were you (the vehicle) moving while using the phone? Personally, I do not consider that using a phone whilst stationary in queuing traffic constitutes driving for the purposes of the mobile phone legislation. Others may disagree.
"Others" would include most courts, would it not? Running that as a defence would be a brave move (in the English, understated use of the word "brave").
Quote from: andy_foster on February 08, 2026, 09:46:59 pm
What were you using the phone for? Ironically, if it was for interactive communication purposes, it could engage Article 10 ECHR - which would require any interference with the right to express and receive ideas and information without interference by public authority, unless such interference is provided for by law and necessary to protect other people's rights (in this case their safety). If the vehicle was stationary throughout, then I would argue that it would be difficult to argue that it was necessary to prohibit such actions to protect others from being hit by a stationary vehicle. Again others may disagree. If the vehicle was moving slowly then that would be an even harder sell.
Trying to use that one would be even more "brave". And likely expensive. Mind you, a successful use of such a defence would probably have all the Farage-ites suddenly not wanting to scrap the Human Rights Act after all.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: Suing a water company
« on: January 27, 2026, 09:39:33 am »
My only thoughts are they they (and the other private water companies) are a total disgrace, and Ofwat is as bad, if not worse, for not properly regulating them. I have the worse of both worlds, with the incompetent SE Water providing my water (fortunately not in the areas affected recently) and my waste water handled by the even more incompetent Thames. The former are putting up the bills by some stupid amount, and Thames by even more (something like 50%). I don't buy their claims of investing in infrastructure, as that's what they've been telling us for years. Where the reality is that they have been jacking up the bills, not investing, but instead borrowing so they can shell out huge dividends and bonuses. If they want to invest, then the shareholders should be made to pay (through rights issues, for example). And if I refuse to pay their unjustified increases? I have no defence, and will be sued.

They are the mafia of the privatised public sector. Don't expect to get anywhere with any lawsuit.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: not paying for fuel
« on: January 12, 2026, 09:51:50 am »
Quote from: lateman on January 12, 2026, 09:35:35 am
... the case will be escalated to the next process and issued to a third party for debt collector which may lead to court proceedings"

but anyway, my question is: do i have 14 days from the date of the letter or when it was served (almost a week later)?
A debt collector has even less ability to do anything than PMF. Don't worry about that particular threat, and you can safely ignore anything a third party debt collector sends you. That's all they can do: send letters with ever more red ink and block capitals.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: not paying for fuel
« on: January 11, 2026, 04:09:16 pm »
I would agree with Andy that the use of the word "penalty" puts Pay My Fuel on very dodgy ground, as do threats of prosecution. And you can't transfer a debt without both parties (Morrisons and Pay My Fuel) contacting the alleged debtor stating this, which they haven't. That means Pay My Fuel can take no legal action for recovery, as it is not their debt to collect. They also have the problem that all they know is the vehicle's registered keeper, who is not necessarily the same person who filled up the car and didn't pay.

Morrisons branch is unlikely to play ball, but maybe a cheque (if you still have a cheque book) to Morrisons HO for the amount plus a small amount to cover their costs "in full and final settlement," giving all relevant details of course.

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