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Any feedback from the forum regarding next steps?

Thanks,

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In which case I'd reorder and rephrase your informal reps.

Surely you're trying to set out a compelling argument for the authority to exercise discretion(could be 'circumstances beyond your control...but I'm not going to get too exercised about the distinction), therefore perhaps....

On *** my son, aged **, developed a temperature and therefore I went to the (surely local, although you've said that you're not a resident of Richmond) pharmacy to buy some ***** (IMO, medicine is too vague). I parked as can be seen and saw the CEO to whom I explained the situation and who KINDLY! allowed me to park for 5 minutes without paying.

As luck would have it, **** pharmacy could not accept card payments and therefore as I did not have cash on me I had to go to the nearest ATM and then return to the pharmacy. This detour caused me to be late getting back to my car where I found the PCN, perhaps understandably.

Given the circumstances, I would ask the authority to exercise discretion on this occasion. I would also suggest that the actual wording of the contravention cannot be correct in that the parking place accepts phone payment and therefore not displaying something whose display is optional cannot be correct, surely. Likewise the sign doesn't reflect the option to pay by phone, but I hope that it won't be necessary to examine these issues in further detail in this case.

Some thoughts. Pl fill in the blanks and post a draft here first.

Hello,

Unfortunately the council did not show any compassion and have rejected my appeal. Is this now worth waiting for the NTO to arrive and then make formal representations?

Appreciate your guidance

Many thanks,

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On 15/09/2025 my son, aged 6 yrs old, developed a high temperature and therefore I went to the Richmond Pharmacy on Sheen Road to buy some Calpol medicine for him. I parked on Sheen Road, as can be seen, and saw the CEO to whom I explained the situation and who kindly allowed me to park for 5 minutes without paying for parking.

As luck would have it, Richmond Pharmacy could not accept card payments and therefore as I did not have cash on me I had to go to the nearest ATM at the garage on Sheen Road and then return to the pharmacy. This de-tour caused me to be late getting back to my car where I found the PCN has been issued, perhaps understandably.

Given the circumstances, I kindly ask the authority to exercise discretion on this occasion. I would also like to suggest that the actual wording of the contravention cannot be correct in that the parking bay accepts phone payments as well as machine payments and therefore not displaying something (i.e. ticket/voucher) whose display is optional cannot be correct, surely. Likewise the parking sign doesn't reflect the option to pay by phone, but I hope that it won't be necessary to examine these issues in further detail in this case.

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I have come up with the following challenge and would appreciate the forum's feedback/comments:

Dear Sirs,

I make representations on the following grounds:

1)   The traffic sign is incorrect;
2)   The contravention code (06P) is incorrect and hence the contravention did not occur.

I stopped at the pharmacy in Sheen Road to buy medicine for my son who had a high temperature (receipt attached), I saw the CEO as I parked and he said its ok to stop but I should not take longer than 5 mins. Unfortunately, the card machine in the pharmacy was not working and I had to withdraw cash from an ATM (cash withdrawal slip attached), this lead to me overstaying the 5 mins agreed with the CEO. When I returned to my car around 6 mins later, I was shocked to see a PCN had already been issued. In this regard, I therefore parked without permission or having obtained parking rights. On which point, I would like to draw the council’s attention to the following:

The traffic sign in evidence states: Pay at machine. Display ticket.
The machine accepts payment and advises that parking rights may be obtained via RingGo, which is also confirmed on the council's website.
Therefore, it is clear that the alleged contravention is that of failing to display a ticket, NOT failure to pay.

It therefore follows that:

The traffic sign in evidence is incorrect because display of a ticket is not an obligation; and
the contravention is wrong for the same reasons.

Either of the above constitutes a statutory and therefore the PCN must be cancelled. Furthermore, if the council wishes to enforce this bay, then it must amend the traffic sign and use a mandated contravention description.

Kind regards,

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Two errors IMO:

The sign is incorrect;
The contravention is incorrect.

I would start with your account, the CEO's conditional permission and that for reasons beyond your control it took you longer to get back to the car than agreed with the CEO*. In this regard, you therefore parked without permission or having obtained parking rights. On which point, I would draw the authority's attention to the following:

The traffic sign in evidence states: Pay at machine. Display ticket.
The machine accepts payment and advises that parking rights may be obtained via RingGo, which is also confirmed on the council's website.
The alleged contravention is that of failing to display a ticket, NOT failure to pay.

 It therefore follows that:

The traffic sign in evidence is incorrect because display of a ticket is not an obligation; and
The contravention is wrong for the same reasons.

Either constitutes a statutory and therefore the PCN must be cancelled. If the council wants to enforce this bay then they must amend the traffic sign and use a mandated contravention description.

Many thanks for your help with this, however, the PCN does mention contravention code 06P - Parked without clearly displaying a valid pay & display ticket or voucher?

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You getting cash is not something you can visit on the CEO as you must surely realise. I'd forget this.

Was the sequence of events that you parked, went straight to the pharmacy, got the medicine and then went via an ATM machine before returning to the car and that this took longer than the CEO had specified.

Was your son with you?

IMO, you should focus on what seems to be a clear the procedural error.

Yes that is the correct sequence of events. OK I will draft some kind of appeal based on the procedural error, just to clarify none of the parking signs mention pay by phone and only mention pay at machine display ticket so this is still a procedural error, correct?

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I am quite angry at the CEO as I feel he acted in a deceitful way and actually intended to issue a PCN all along.

Why? According to you he gave you conditional permission to park where you would otherwise not have been permitted unless you paid, but you did not comply with those conditions.

What has getting money from an ATM got to do with your son's condition or your parking, you weren't paying to park anyway(not that you'd have needed cash).

There are some free parking provisions for residents of Richmond, do you qualify?

https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/parking/parking_machines/parking_machine_guide

What I am saying is that having to get cash from the ATM meant I ended up taking longer than anticipated and hence overstayed the 5 minutes offered by the CEO. Unfortunately I am not a resident Richmond so I do not qualify :(

I notice none of the parking signs mention paying via Ringo, however, on the pay and display machine there is the option to pay via Ringo?

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Good day,

I have been issued with a PCN from Richmond Council for contravention code 06P (parking without a valid pay and display ticket). I stopped at the pharmacy to buy medicine for my son who had a high temperature, I saw the CEO as I parked and he said its ok to stop but I should not take longer than 5 mins in the pharmacy. Unfortunately the card machine in the pharmacy was not working hence I had to go and draw out cash from the ATM, the whole process took exactly 6 mins and when I returned to my car I was shocked to see a PCN had been issued. I am quite angry at the CEO as I feel he acted in a deceitful way and actually intended to issue a PCN all along.

The PCN mentions that the CEO observed my vehicle from 09:39 to 09:45 yet the timestamp on the photo does not show this?

Is there any grounds for appeal here from the attached PCN and photo evidence?

https://freeimage.host/i/KAZ3NxS

https://freeimage.host/i/KAZ3jb2

https://freeimage.host/i/KAZ3hOl

https://freeimage.host/i/KAZSeZ7

Many thanks,

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Hi all,

I received a PCN for parking on a single yellow line back in March 2025 (which I forgot to appeal), I have now received the NTO and wanted the forum's help to see if I have any grounds to appeal. Having looked at the pictures the only possible grounds to appeal (IMO) are: The single yellow line in the picture does not have a T Bar at the end of the line and the CEO has not taken a picture of any signage showing the restricted hours, however, I'm not sure if an adjudicator would allow an appeal on those grounds.

I would appreciate the forum's help in confirming whether I have a grounds to appeal based on the above or if there is any other basis for an appeal from looking at the pictures.

many thanks in advance

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I am in the same situation and have also received a PCN for the same alleged contravention on the same road. I was having a look online and found the below:


"Home » Contraventions for Moving Traffic » Contravention Code 52
Contravention Code 52
Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibition on certain types of vehicles – Contravention Code 52
 

Specific grounds of appeal for this contravention:

Was the PCN sufficiently clear as to the contravention. In one case the PCN stated failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibition on certain types of vehicle, however the signage at the location stated motor vehicles prohibited. The adjudicator said the PCN should have referred to “motor vehicles” rather than “certain types of vehicle”. Certain types of vehicles is too general. The contraventions have various suffixes. The correct suffix must be used and the contravention stated must be the exact one that relates to the stated contravention code.

Does anyone think i have a grounds for an appeal based on the above? Unfortunately I couldn't find reference to the above case where the adjudicator cancelled the PCN.

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Hi, please find the video attached.
Video shows you charging past the signs without hesitation, following others who, of course, may be permit holders. I see no grounds at the moment for an appeal against the contravention itself, but this doesn't mean game-over, as there may well be a 'technical' appeal based on H&F mismanagement of the enforcement process. Such appeals can and do win on their own, so see what others come up with.

Yes I understand how it looks but when you have two hyper active boys in the back seat being silly, believe me its very easy to miss such signs and road markings plus it was my first time in that area.

Like I said in my initial post, I am fully aware that not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled but I still believe I have nothing to lose if I appeal it. I was visiting the local Gambado kids play area so I could try and explain it was a mistake but I would rather challenge it on some other point (i.e. wording, signage, etc..) if possible.

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Hi, please find the video attached.

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Hello all,

Unfortunately I have received the attached PCN dated 23/01/2025 from Hammersmith & Fulham Council for a 52M alleged traffic contravention. I honestly did not see the signs, I was driving with my kids in the back and maybe wasn't concentrating fully on the signs but I did not spot them. The first time I found out about the alleged contravention was when I received the PCN. Obviously not seeing the signs/markings are not a valid reason to get a PCN cancelled so I would appreciate the forum's feedback on whether the PCN is worth challenging and if so on what basis. I will try and see if I can find the TMO.

Many thanks in advance

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