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Hello all, some very good news received in the wee small hours today - email from London Tribunals to confirm Havering will not be challenging my appeal and so PCN quashed!
Many thanks to @Hippocrates for the extremely generous offer to represent my case.
Thanks again to all for the advice/support.  Just goes to show - very often worth a challenge 🙂

Hello all, just had a response to my representation drop through the letterbox (please find attached).

Please could I request some advice on next steps?

Not sure whether it's worth taking to the next (appeal?) stage (i.e. if learned members think I've a strong chance of winning!) - or whether it's now best in my case to simply pay the £65 within the next two weeks...

Thank you!

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Quote from: richythepom on March 20, 2025, 10:25:39 am

Just been back onto Havering's website - if there *is* a way to check status/history of my PCN, then they've done a bloody good job of hiding it!  I can't find any way of checking, I'm afraid...

Surely, log on with your PCN and VRM details plus the webcode?

I've tried that via the LBH website.  It recognises the VRM/PCN/Webcode info. but it doesn't give me the option to "check status / "check history" or anything similar; it only provides the option for me to pay.  I tentatively had a nose at that and it's still offering me the reduced rate, but offers nothing re the status of my representation etc...

BTW there is no 56 day limit on them replying under the LLA & TfL Act 2003; that is only in the Traffic Management Act 2004 when they respond to reps against a Notice to Owner.

Ah OK - I thought the 56 day thing might provide a technicality to get my PCN quashed... So can Havering just let this hang as long as they want now?

Have you checked the council website for the status/history of the PCN?

No - I didn't know you could...(?)

Thanks again all for your help - representation submitted!

I've attached a screenshot of the confrmation; I'll keep you posted... 

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Thanks again @Incadescent  

I'm going to submit a representation...

Please could you let me know your thoughts on my draft below?

I write to make a respresentation to effect the cancellation of this PCN for the following reasons:

The contravention alleged on the PCN states "Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited".  I did not stop my vehicle at any point - the continued movement of my vehicle is clear in the video evidence provided.  At no point throughout the video evidence does my car come to a complete stop – I continued moving forward at all times.

Furthermore, the traffic light change which can be seen in the video evidence caused the car in front of me to stop the exact moment I entered the box junction area. 
The driver in front of my vehicle stopped quite suddenly at the point the lights changed from green to amber – verging on what could be described as an “emergency stop”. 
The majority of drivers would have reasonably expected the driver to continue through the amber light in the situation presented.
I therefore slowed (to avoid a collision) but did not stop and also - did not obstruct any traffic, as can be seen by vehicles entering Branfill Road from Station Road in the video. 

In summary - I maintain that I did not stop and even if this fact is challenged - the lack of clear video evidence showing a clear actual stop, as well as the impact on any other road users, would be subject to the de minimis rule.

To conclude - for the reasons set out above - I look forward to the swift cancellation of this PCN.

Hello @cp8759 and all,

First time posting on here - what a resource! 

Please find below link to (redacted) images of my PCN, which I received through the post yesterday (19/01/25) and which relates to an alleged contravention on 23/12/24... (I've also tried to attach my redacted doc., too.)



In terms of what I think (or hope?!) might be reasonable and pertinent reasons to challenge, I've come up with the below four possibilities:

1. Contravention alleged  on PCN states "Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited" and I did not stop my vehicle at any point.  The continued movement of my vehicle is clear in the video evidence provided.
2. The traffic light changed causing the car in front of me to stop the exact moment I entered the box junction area - I slowed but did not stop and did not obstruct any traffic, as can be seen by vehicles entering Branfill Road from Station Road in the video evidence provided.
3. I maintain that I did not stop, but even if this claim is maintained, the period stopped would be de minimis.
4. PCN states "... The vehicle was observed from to on 23/12/2024...." which does not make sense.

Here is a link to the Google Street View of the location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/nf8MRYNUu7yRr84y7

I've not received (or challenged!) one of these before; therefore,please could I ask for some help in terms of whether there's much chance of an appeal being successful and if so, how I might best go about it?

Many thanks!

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