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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Hammersmith and Fulham - 31j - Yellow Box - Uxbridge Rd
« on: May 28, 2025, 10:43:39 pm »
Found this in the post today. PCN for "Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited". Checked the video. It shows the car moving without ever stopping in the yellow box.


Is this an easy win? Is there any reason to overcomplicate this, include any magic wording, time things right or do I just say to them "Check the video. Contravention did not occur. Car never stopped in the box. Thanks. Bye"?


PCN:


Video:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MWpndGpSB9G7R2di5TdLXPRGXExKw0I/view?usp=sharing

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The Flame Pit / Re: APCOA - Keeper/Registered Keeeper confusion.
« on: December 04, 2024, 08:08:35 pm »
By that logic should they even be telling me they issued the PCN at all?

I used the new keeper slip to prove my identity and the DPO was ok with that, so I think they were satisfied I was the actual keeper at the time.

I can't tell if the PCN has dealer's name, or my name + incorrect address, but either way at least the photographs should have been provided.



I think I will poke the bear a bit, so there's a chance I receive something, but it should be easy enough to fight off.

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The Flame Pit / Re: APCOA - Keeper/Registered Keeeper confusion.
« on: December 04, 2024, 07:36:08 pm »
The SAR was made to Luton Airport, not APCOA itself. According to ICO and their own Privacy Policy they should then be coordinating a response from APCOA and any other companies. I suspected they tried issuing a PCN to the wrong address. Luton Airport got back to me with a partial response. They didn't provide photos or the PCN itself, but they said one was issued for my car.

I'm more curious than worried. I'm wondering about a hypothethical scenario with a company that would normally do keeper liability right. Seems a parking company could do everything right and still have no way of recovering any money. Life being fair to parking companies is not a huge concern for me. I just haven't seen a similar case and it got me wondering.

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The Flame Pit / APCOA - Keeper/Registered Keeeper confusion.
« on: December 04, 2024, 06:39:41 pm »
I don't really need help fighting this, but it's Parking Charge related so I don't think it belongs in the Flame Pit. It raised some interesting but mostly theoretical questions and I'm curious what more experienced people think.

A recent SAR (separate can of worms) to Luton Airport suggests APCOA tried issuing me a PCN for a visit to the express drop off about 6 weeks ago. This is not a surprise. The visit happened, the driver spent some time reading the terms and conditions and I believe they decided to leave without accepting the terms (separate can of worms 2).

No letter arrived. This is probably because:
a. The visit happened the same day I purchased the vehicle. I'm not sure if my details had time to make it through the system.
b. Turns out the seller sent incorrect details (correct name, completely different address, couple towns over, their fault) to DVLA. I am in the process of clearing that up.

I don't want a CCJ popping up in a few years so I plan to let APCOA know I was the keeper of the vehicle at the time. I wonder what would happen if hypothetically this was relevant land and the PCN was otherwise POFA 2012 compliant. If they reissued the NTK, could I still rely on them going beyond the 14-day limit to get out of keeper liability even when they had no reasonable way to find out who the actual keeper of the vehicle was in time? There are routes for when this happens with hire cars, but I don't see anything for cases when the vehicle is owned outright and it's just paperwork confusion.


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