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Messages - Grant Urismo

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It makes no sense to fold if the discount has been removed. The fine won't go up if you lose (although the council do need to pay a fee for adjudication, so there's a little win there) and of course if you win, you pay nothing.

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The line that adjudicators seem to take is that you only have to prepare a defence against the specific thing the Council have accused you of. In your case that's being parked illegally in Maples Place at a specific time. You have photographic evidence that proves that your car was elsewhere at the time. If the Council wants to accuse you of something else (for example parking illegally in Cavell St. at that time) they need to follow the correct legal process for doing so, to give you time to prepare a defence against that accusation (which they now can't as they have missed the deadline - among other reasons)

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Just to save others looking, GSV is out of date here.

The only signage I can see is more of an entry sign than Ts & Cs.

I expect given the presence of a lot of EV chargers in the non-disabled parking area that the council's line will be that this is both a disabled bay AND an EV charging bay.

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As an EV owner, yes the that type of charger can charge 2 cars.

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I think the photos show your vehicle straddling the edge of the carriageway, so you are not "...more than 50 cm from the edge of the carriageway..." which is what you're accused of, so the grounds of appeal would be "the alleged contravention did not occur".

It look to me as if the edge of the carriageway is where the tarmac changes texture, and the area where your car is forms part of a dropped kerb to allow access to the garage, which I think doesn't count as a carriageway - but hold off on this as I may be wrong about that.

If all else fails, I think you'll have a good case for compensation against the garage if you do end up forking out £70 at adjudication - which is the most that this could cost you if you follow the process correctly.

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Don't do anything in a rush, you've got 28 days from the 18th December to respond, so take the time to get all your ducks in a row, and wait for more experienced forum members to chip in before doing anything.

Having said that, I think your list of likely winning arguments is pretty lengthy, and I would be surprised if they don't drop the PCN before an adjudicator gets to see how much of a mess they made.

1) There's no evidence of any actual suspension signs, just an advanced warning notice. The order says it's only valid at "such times then appropriate traffic signs are displayed in accordance with TSRGD 2016(c)", and that "Parking restrictions will apply when the appropriate signs are displayed", so you will put the council to strict proof that such signs were in displayed.

2) The suspension sign says the restriction lasts "until Monday 29th September 8am-4pm". As the observation time was after 8:07-8:19am, the signposted restriction had already ended.

3) The suspension sign contains incomprehensible gibberish.

4) PCN is for the wrong contravention (see page 1 of this thread)

5) Failure to consider (as their claim that the right signs were in place is complete rubbish)

6) You will put the council to strict proof that "Tree works - Green Space, Cleansing and Gristwood and Toms" occurred after 08:07 on that day. They will have difficulty proving this as it's hopelessly garbled.

As you say, the full £160 is in play, and that's the upper limit if you carry on to the tribunal, so it's a no brainer to fight on.

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The Council needs to officially create a pavement parking restriction (or if it's in London/Scotland, officially remove the default one), and they also need to install and maintain signage and road markings that adequately conveys the official restriction to the motorist.

You can fight and win PCNs if the council messes up either the documentation or signage part, and also (briefly) if there's a reasonable expectation of non-enforcement.

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Another +1 here

Not just because you'll probably win but also because there's a chance you'd get Mr Stanton-Dunne as the adjudicator, which would be immensely entertaining.

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If I was the driver, I'd be writing to the Chief Adjudicator and asking for Mr Burke's defamatory statements to be struck from the official record.

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Agreed. I'd be firing off a subject data access request for all notes about the PCN if I was the OP.

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Have the council uploaded any evidence?

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I think we're in danger of reading too much into that decision on the meaning of "match day".

While Carl Teper might not "have jurisdiction to strike down the Traffic Management Order as invalid, nor can I disregard a statutory definition on the basis of fairness or otherwise" he does have the ability (and duty) to determine if the signage accurately conveys the contents of the TMO to a diligent motorist, which it does not. If not, then we're in a ludicrous situation where councils can dispense with signage entirely.

I suspect he would have accepted this argument had appellant had brought it up, but didn't need to go there on this occasion because he'd already ruled in the appellant's favour.

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Where's the TTO suspending parking? All I can see is one which refers to prohibited entry and Tarling isn't among the listed roads anyway.

Tarling is listed on the second page, but I agree that the wording says the effect is to close the road, not to suspend the bays.

The main thing I take issue with is the signage. That's not a suspension sign, it's an advance warning sign. Point 4 on the sign says the restriction only applies when the appropriate traffic signs are in place, in my book that means actual suspension signs.

Secondly, the sign is so riddled with grammatical errors as to be incomprehensible. What the hell does "Monday 29th September until Monday 29th September 8am to 4pm" mean? Arguably the restriction starts as soon as Monday starts and lasts until 8am, then restarts at 4pm - in which case the PCN was issued 7 minutes after the restriction ended. The notice gives a completely different time window, ending on the 3rd October at 6pm!

Thirdly the notice says restriction ends when the work ends, and that the work is "Tree works - Green Space, Cleansing and Gristwood and Toms" another crime against grammar. I would say you're entitled to put the council to strict proof that "Tree works - Green Space, Cleansing and Gristwood and Toms" occurred after 08:07 on that day. If it didn't then they can't issue the PCN, because the notice says the restriction ends when the work ends.

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I'm not suggesting actually doing this without getting a lot more official legal advice than I'm able to offer in my role as a completely unqualified random stranger on the internet, but In your shoes I'd consider a note saying something like:

Dear Parking

Bearing in mind that that putting up a sign that says I can park somewhere then fining me for believing that sign obviously constitutes entrapment, and I've heard nothing from you for a while, I believe my current options are:

1) Hire a legal team, apply to the Court for a stay, and ask the Court to award costs

or

2) Pay up then hire a legal team, prosecute the Council for unlawful enrichment, get my money back and ask the Court to award costs.


...unless of course can you confirm that you've dropped the matter?

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Again with my Computing lecturer hat on, paranoia and a desire to learn through asking questions are highly desirable traits in a cybersecurity student, so I felt the need to balance out the likes on Hippocrates original question.

This stuff isn't obvious or simple, so I am happy to deliver as much of a lecture on TCP/IP as the regulars would like in order to help them argue points in front of adjudicators from a position of knowledge.

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