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2. Shouldn't it be easily available? If they don't make it available...is it null and void?

3. Yes I have, they keep avoiding the answer by asking me a question...and ignoring my question... and taking 20 days to respond under the FOI act...only to reply with a question... I have had no answers

4. AFAIK - is not good enough. where is your factual proof?

I appreciate your reply though

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ok that's fine...I understand and can accept that..

So can anyone assist with the legality of the signs please? Are the road signs legal?

also

1. Can TFL single out general vehicles with a Temporary traffic order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and only authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles being emergency vehicles, busses, black cabs and authorised vehicles?

2. Do TFL need to make a temporary traffic regulation order available to the public and easily available for the public to view?


3. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing something?

4. Is there an active temporary order currently in place for Gallows corner flyover replacement to allow TFL to temporarily restrict or prohibit the use of the road by vehicles. Or can someone show me where to look for this order?

5. Can TFL issue a penalty charge for general vehicles using the roundabout during the Gallows corner flyover works? Or do they need another order to be allowed to issue a PCN?

All help much appreciated in advance

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1. I only want to know legality please... Signs can be illegal or positioned illegally and therefore null and void.

2.'MAJOR' means big/massive/important/ e.g. bigger than a spot on the road roundabout... used by over 1,000s vehicles daily.. Gallows corner is one of the only roundabouts that joins east and west... it is a major roundabout and has major connections...it is an important roundabout.

3. Because it is a different topic...The first was about charges legality and the second is about signs legality...

why have you grouped them together? just because I am the same person? or because I am talking about a 'major' roundabout? would you group everyone's post to mine querying Gallows corner now? I would like them ungrouped please.

4. Just because a 'no right turn ' sign has been placed somewhere does not make it legal. I really want to know the legality. Roads and highway's need laws/orders/regulations to follow...that's why we have laws/orders/regulations...


AND WHY ARE YOU HAVING A GO AT ME??? and picking on my words 'major'?? I HAVENT DONE ANYTHING WRONG....I just want answers

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Dear friends,

TFL have closed a MAJOR roundabout - Gallows corner roundabout RM3 8AA. They do not allow general traffic. They still allow busses, black cabs and emergency vehicles and authorised vehicles. They have not made any temporary traffic regulation orders available to facilitate the closure.

Are these signs legal? They have no signs when turning right onto the road then suddenly have signs on a BOX JUNCTION....too sudden to stop and read....ALSO there are no bus lanes through the roundabout or leading upto the roundabout and the sign says BUS LANE CAMERAS...










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1. Can TFL single out domestic vehicles with a Temporary traffic regulation order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and only authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles being emergency vehicles, busses and black cabs? Is it legal?

2. Do TFL need to make a temporary traffic regulation order available to the public and easily available for the public to view?

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1. Can TFL single out domestic vehicles with a Temporary traffic order? For example - can TFL say a road is closed and only authorised vehicles can use the road? Authorised vehicles being emergency vehicles, busses and black cabs?

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Could anyone help please?

1. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing something? NewJudge, are you able to find the required order?

2. Is there an active temporary order currently in place for Gallows corner flyover replacement to allow TFL to temporarily restrict or prohibit the use of the road by vehicles. Or can someone show me where to look for this order?

3. Can TFL issue a penalty charge for the Gallows corner flyover works? Or do they need another order to be allowed to issue a PCN?

All help much appreciated in advance

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Thank you for your reply NewJudge, you have been very helpful

1. I have searched and cannot find a temporary traffic order for the Gallows corner major closure. The only temporary traffic order was back in 2022 for Queen Elizabeth II. Am I missing something? NewJudge, are you able to find the required order?

2. I feel TFL might be corrupt... On TFL website it states under Gallows corner flyover works-

"Closed with local access
The A127 and A12 are closed with local access only between the following roads:

A12 Eastern Avenue East between Masefield Crescent and Pettits Lane/Pettits Lane North."


YET TFL have closed access completely. I feel they do not want to pay someone to monitor the access 24/7...which is unfair on residents of Masefield Crescent.

3. Is there an active temporary order currently in place to allow TFL to temporarily restrict or prohibit the use of a road by vehicles. Or can someone show me where to look?

3.b And can TFL issue a penalty charge? Or do they need another order to be allowed to issue a PCN?


All help much appreciated in advance


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Thank you sharing this information.

1. On the article, it says "expired" what does that mean? Does it mean the traffic order request has been rejected/not applied?

2. The article says "that it intends to make" does this mean nothing has been officially agreed/allowed/approved/active?

3. it says "Local access will be maintained on Eastern Avenue East between its junctions with Pettits Lane North and Masefield Crescent;" HOWEVER they have NOT. they have not allowed access to Masefield Crescent. It is completely closed. Can one request they move the bollards to allow access as and when one needs access to Masefield Crescent?

4. Is this temporary traffic order currently active?


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TFL have put up these signs to say authorised vehicles only...and no other vehicle can use the roundabout whilst TFL carry out works...the works were meant to finish last week Sept 8th....but now TFL say there is no end date and there have been delays....TFL say only busses, black cabs and emergency vehicles can use the roundabout (which is fully functional) otherwise TFL will issue fines... Can TFL issue fines? I have attached photos of the signs...sorry i was in a moving car (not driving) and it was dark


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Well , yes this is a question purely out of interest.. Do you know the answer?

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The Flame Pit / Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA Harold hill - PCN query
« on: September 12, 2025, 04:23:47 pm »
Hi all...hope you are all well..

can TFL issue tickets for using Gallows Corner roundabout RM3 8AA whilst the works are happening to replace the flyover? I don't believe they can... but I would like to hear from an expert in Traffic management orders/acts and TFL's rights to issue fines?

I believe TFL need a statute in a traffic management order or act to issue PCNs/tickets...which i doubt they have...

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I understand and I am very grateful for all help.

Here are the grounds
PCN# LJ31189757
REG: NE13 LLZ


Current status quo of PCN is - I have until 4th Nov to submit representation.

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Does this apply to my case please?

First seen Tues 8th Oct 2024 15.15
Issued at Tues 8th Ocy 2024 15.15

Date of penalty charge notice 22nd Oct 2024

The amount outstanding on the charge notice will increase to £130 on Sunday 17th Nov 2024. Please pay £65.00 now.

is the date whacko? is it an unreasonable threat which infringes the statutory process?


My case link
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/help-for-pcn-lambeth-code-52m-prohibition-of-moving-motor-vehicle/

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