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Before we move on, I agree with the comments in the post above. What is the name of the POPLA assessor. It is in the public domain so no need to withhold it. I keep a record of POPLA assessors who are quite clearly in need to further education on the law and their use of language.


Gayle Stanton
Will act as above and update accordingly.
One annoying thing is they're saying that the visibility of the sign at night is irrelevant as the car was parked in the day. How do they know when the car was actually parked - they just know the time it was discovered!..

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Hey I'm back
Popla just messaged rejecting my appeal

Assessor summary of operator case
The operator has issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) because the vehicle was parked on the site and failed to display a valid permit.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has raised the following grounds of appeal: • As the registered keeper they are not responsible for the requested fee. • Due to improper signage and lack of compliance with PoFA paragraph 9(2)(a), they neither believe that any contract was entered into, nor that there is any burden on them to identify the driver or pay on their behalf. • The signage is not illuminated. • The operator does not have authority to issue charges on the site. In the comments the appellant reiterates and expands on their grounds of appeal in that the PCN does not comply with PoFA 2012. They say that in their original appeal that the operator had failed to demonstrate that they have the necessary contractual authority to issue parking charges on behalf of the landowner at this site. They say that the PCN does not clarify the period of parking and the single timestamp is not sufficient. The appellant has provided a document detailing their appeal which includes images of signage.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The operator has provided evidence of the vehicle parked on the site on the day in question. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators are required to comply with. The sector Code of Practice has been jointly created by the British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC). It is largely based on the Government’s Private Parking Code of Practice, which was published in February 2022, and subsequently withdrawn in June 2022. The new Code came into force on the 1 October 2024. It is stipulated in the Code that the parking operator needs to comply with all elements relating to signage by 31 December 2026. Therefore, for any aspects of this case relating to signage, I will be referring to version 9 of the BPA Code of Practice. This is applicable for parking events that occurred from 1 February 2024. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. The appellant advises that the signage is inadequate and not illuminated. Section 19.2 advises that entrance signs play an important part in establishing a parking contract and deterring trespassers. Therefore, as well as the signs you must have telling drivers about the terms and conditions for parking, you must also have a standard form of entrance sign at the entrance to the parking area. Entrance signs must tell drivers that the car park is managed and that there are terms and conditions they must be aware of. Section 19.3 of the code states that signs must be placed throughout the car park so that drivers have the chance to review the terms and conditions. The code confirms that these signs must be conspicuous and legible and written in intelligible language so that they are easy to see read and understand. The operator has provided a site map and multiple images of the signs within the car park and after reviewing these, I am satisfied that there are plenty of signs located within the car park and that these signs meet the requirements of section 19.2 and 19.3 of the Code of Practice. The signage on the site clearly advises that failing to display a valid permit in the windscreen will result in a PCN being issued. I note that the appellant has advised that the signage is not illuminated however as they had parked on the site during daylight hours I am satisfied that the operator is not required to rebut this The images of the vehicle provided by the operator show that the permit on view is not the relevant permit for the site. The appellant states that the PCN Is not PoFA compliant. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. The appellant questions whether the operator has authority to issue PCNs on the site. Section 14.1 of the Code states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. The operator has provided a contract and I am satisfied that the operator has the authority to issue and pursue PCN’s on this site. The operator does not need to provide a full copy of the full contract as it may contain commercially sensitive information. After considering the evidence from both parties the vehicle was parked on the site and failed to display a valid permit and therefore the driver did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. Based on the evidence provided, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly therefore, I must refuse the appeal. This means the appellant is required to pay the full parking charge to the operator.

Thoughts on where to go from here?
Thanks as always
E

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The operator’s version simply says "29 days," which is not the same thing and is legally incorrect.
It might be worth adding at least a sentence in here to set out why it is vague - it doesn't state when the 29 days begins, unlike PoFA's wording, which states exactly when the relevant period begins.

Some POPLA adjudicators take the view that if the same date is communicated but with different wording, that's fine (whether that should be the case is a different matter, but it is what it is) - here, that clearly isn't the case, without an obvious date from when the "29 days" they refer to should begin, it's impossible to know what time period they're referring to.

Have amended and sent off. Can't tell you how grateful I am for the input. Will be back with an answer in 6-8 weeks I suppose...

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Continue to only appeal as the Registered Keeper (RK). They have no idea who the driver is and you are under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

If we put it together, PoFA paragraph 9(2)(a) states:

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9 (1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.

(2) The notice must

(a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;

So, is there anything in the NtK you received that "specifies" the "period of parking"? You tell me.

Unless ALL the requirements of PoFA are fully complied with, then they cannot hold the Keeper liable. So, don't identify the driver.

Are they wrong about the clear implication of the period? Am I being pedantic, or are they taking liberties?

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Hi, sorry to chase. Just seems a shame to end up being rejected just because I haven't replied to their response
Or do they make a good arguement that should spur me to back down?

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Hi all
Have just been sent this through Popla. Along with proof that manage the land etc. Have been given 7 days to respond - do I reply?
Thanks again
E

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Dear Assessor,

The contract that we are seeking payment on has arisen from a breach of the notified terms and conditions of parking stated on the signs that the landowner has requested us to erect and permitted to remain erected at this location. The evidence demonstrates that the signage, including the entrance signs, is clearly located to make motorists aware of the terms and conditions and the potential consequences of non-adherence to the terms have been made fully available "PRIVATE ROAD, MONITORED PARKING IN OPERATION SATURDAY 11am – 12pm, 1pm-2pm, 3:30-4:30pm and 7-8pm.
UNAUTHORISED PARKING BY MEANS OF NOT SHOWING A CLEARLY DISPLAYED VALID PERMIT IN THE WINDSCREEN WILL RESULT IN A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE OF £100 BEING ISSUED".
The charge was issued because the appellant's vehicle was parked without a valid permit on Saturday between 1pm and 2pm, which directly contravened the terms and conditions of parking.
The evidence demonstrates that the entrance sign makes it clear that motorists enter private land managed by our company on behalf of the landowner. It is also clear in its communication that terms and conditions apply. The terms were adequately brought to the driver's attention. The signage stands out from the surroundings of the site. The signage is displayed as black text on a white background, making it prominent to all motorists when they park. The sum payable for unauthorised parking is printed in larger bold letters, which is more than visible when reviewing the signage. The signage at the location in question is BPA compliant and would have been visible when the driver arrived on site. Whilst we note the appellant has raised lighting within their grounds of appeal, the signage on site is made of retro-reflective material, ensuring visibility if illuminated by vehicle headlights. However, the contravention took place during daylight hours, and therefore, the driver had sufficient lighting to review the terms and conditions of parking. It was then the driver's responsibility to ensure they sought out and adhered to the advertised terms. By instead choosing to ignore the terms and remain without a valid on display, the driver became liable for a parking charge.
It is important to note that the operator does not have to issue a notice directly to the driver of the vehicle, as it can hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. For a Notice to Keeper to be compliant with PoFA 2012, as detailed in section 9(2)(f) “warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given— (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid.” The Notice to Keeper correctly conveys this information. It states the keeper has ‘If after 29 days we have not received full payment or driver details’, which is the equivalent of ‘28 days beginning the day after the that on which the notice is given’. This is compliant with PoFA Act 2012 requirements, and therefore, the parking charge is BPA and POFA 2012 compliant. The evidence does not indicate that the keeper provided us with the relevant information to transfer liability to the driver. By failing to provide the driver's details, the appellant has assumed liability for this PCN.
The appellant also says that the PCN does not comply with paragraph 9(2) (a) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, which states: “Specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates.” The PCN states the location, the date and time of the contravention and also contains images of the vehicle parked at the site, which is sufficient to identify the period of parking to which the notice relates. The PCN is therefore PoFA compliant.
Ultimately, it is the motorist’s responsibility to ensure they adhere to the site's terms in order to avoid the possibility of a PCN being issued."

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When submitting the challenge, do I include photos of the signage in the pdf, or just make my points about the signs not complying and let them look for themselves?

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"Posting"??? I hope you mean sending through the POPLA website. You can just save it as a PDF and upload it. Make sure you don't select anything that gives away the drivers identity. The appellant is the Keeper or "other" only.

To be honest I had presumed that I submit through a website but I'll work out out! Will keep the driver's identity of it, thanks
E

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Hey. Am posting this tomorrow so it's not hanging over me on Christmas. Wish me luck!..
E

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Hey
Any further input to the appeal? Would like to send it so and just have one less thing hanging over me
Thanks all
E

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Apologies. Messaged again as I thought I'd sent this draft on Saturday. But clearly not!

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Really appreciate the ongoing feedback

Is this better?

**Dear Mr. Assessor,** 
**PCN: [Your Reference Number]**

The issue in dispute here is whether the creditor has the right to enforce against the driver the requirement to pay the parking charge and, if so, whether they can claim this from the keeper of the vehicle.

I have set out my appeal accordingly:

**Does the creditor have the right to enforce against the driver the requirement to pay the parking charge?**

Before going into the detail of the events on the site and my appeal, the assessor is obliged to satisfy themselves that the creditor has the necessary authority to enter into contracts and impose parking charges on behalf of the landowner. This would necessitate the creditor providing evidence to this effect, and I reserve the right to present an argument based upon this once a copy has been provided to me.

Subject to the creditor having this authority, I dispute that this could give rise to a relevant obligation on the driver's part in this case because the signs in situ fail to comply with the Code of Practice as follows:

1. **Inadequate Signage:** 
   The parking signage does not comply with the regulations required for enforceable private parking contracts. The signage fails to clearly display the terms and conditions, including the potential £100 Parking Charge Notice, in a manner that meets the standards of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 and the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.

   - **Lack of Adequate Illumination:** 
     The sign is mounted on a pole with no provision for adequate lighting. It is difficult to read in low-light conditions, rendering it impossible for motorists to see and understand the terms at night. This does not comply with the requirement that parking terms must be clearly visible and legible under all conditions, including at night or in poor weather.

   - **Insufficient Notice of Key Terms:** 
     The terms and conditions are written in small, dense text. Key information such as the penalty amount and conditions for enforcement is not prominent or clearly displayed.

   - **Ambiguous Time Restrictions:** 
     The sign lists a complex schedule of restricted parking hours for each day. This schedule is excessively convoluted, making it unreasonable to expect drivers to understand and comply within the short time they have to park and assess the situation.

**Does the creditor have the right to recover unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle?**

This would require the creditor to comply with the provisions of paragraphs 5, 6, 9, 11, and 12 (as the case may be) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. However, the creditor has failed to comply with paragraph 9, and therefore paragraph 6, for the following reasons:

2. **Lack of Specified Period of Parking:** 
   According to Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the PoFA, for the NTK to be valid, it must specify "the period of parking to which the notice relates." The NTK issued by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd only mentions a single point in time, rather than a specific period during which the vehicle was parked. This omission is a clear failure to comply with the PoFA requirements, rendering the NTK invalid. As such, the parking company does not have the legal right to claim unpaid parking charges from the registered keeper.

3. **Lack of Clear Authority:** 
   The sign lacks clear evidence of Private Parking Solutions' authority to manage parking on this land. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice requires parking operators to display evidence of their contractual right to issue parking charges on the site. This is absent from the sign.

Given these points, I respectfully request that POPLA upholds my appeal and instructs Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd to cancel the PCN.

Yours faithfully, 

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The time and date of the breach? (you've obscured this).
The back of the PCN pl.

There's no BPA Code of Practice as such, there's the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice if the event took place on or after 1 Oct.

So I suggest you re-read your draft and remove references to an out of date CoP, I also suggest you remove reference to TSRGD which has nothing whatsoever to do with contracts for parking on private land(it applies to traffic authorities), I also suggest you aggregate and don't repeat points under PoFA and CoP breaches, and remove the double negative here:

I contest that the Notice to Keeper (NTK) issued by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd does not specify the "period of parking" as required under Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the PoFA.



I am writing to appeal a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued to my vehicle on ********* by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd. I am the registered keeper of the vehicle in question and have not disclosed the identity of the driver.

The basis of my appeal is the failure of the parking company to comply with the requirements set out in the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 and the inadequacy of the parking signage. Specifically, I contest that the Notice to Keeper (NTK) issued by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd fails to specify the "period of parking" as required under Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the PoFA.

Key points of my appeal are as follows:

1. Lack of Specified Period of Parking:
   According to Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the PoFA, for the NTK to be valid, it must specify "the period of parking to which the notice relates." The NTK issued by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd only mentions a single point in time, rather than a specific period during which the vehicle was parked. This omission is a clear failure to comply with the PoFA requirements, rendering the NTK invalid. As such, the parking company does not have the legal right to claim unpaid parking charges from the registered keeper.

2. Inadequate Signage:
   The parking signage does not comply with the regulations required for enforceable private parking contracts. The signage fails to clearly display the terms and conditions, including the potential £100 Parking Charge Notice, in a manner that meets the standards of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 and the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice.

   Lack of Adequate Illumination:
     The sign is mounted on a pole with no provision for adequate lighting. It is difficult to read in low-light conditions, rendering it impossible for motorists to see and understand the terms at night. This does not comply with the requirement that parking terms must be clearly visible and legible under all conditions, including at night or in poor weather.

   - **Insufficient Notice of Key Terms:** 
     The terms and conditions are written in small, dense text. Key information such as the penalty amount and conditions for enforcement is not prominent or clearly displayed.

   Ambiguous Time Restrictions:
     The sign lists a complex schedule of restricted parking hours for each day. This schedule is excessively convoluted, making it unreasonable to expect drivers to understand and comply within the short time they have to park and assess the situation.

3. Lack of Clear Authority:
   The sign lacks clear evidence of Private Parking Solutions' authority to manage parking on this land. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice requires parking operators to display evidence of their contractual right to issue parking charges on the site. This is absent from the sign.

Given these points, I respectfully request that POPLA upholds my appeal and instructs Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd to cancel the PCN.

Yours faithfully

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The time and date of the breach? (you've obscured this).
The back of the PCN pl.

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Noted - will redraft

I obscured the date and time deliberately (always have done since pepipoo). Will obviously add it back in or was there something specific about it? Happened October 8th so will read the private parking sector single code of conduct. Thanks

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