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Sorry for the delay replying. For some reason didn't get email notification of the last couple of posts.


Yes I'm the registered keeper on day of contravention (owned car for many years outright). Details are all correct.


@roythebus the signs have been rotated. I've included what was my view (N. on canterbury) and a view from the road on the left (stafford st). From the stafford st view you can see a zone E entry sign and behind it across the road the reverse side (zone end) of the other zone E entry sign.

Yes I wasn't sure about the CPZs.

I had a look on Maps and there is a parking bay outside KFC where the time ends at 10pm to match the CPZ, but there is another bay on the opposite side near where you were that ends at 6pm (if still current). While CPZs control only single yellow lines, bay times are often the same.

Is my edited version in post above OK, or is it worth me taking a trip out to check the bay times?

I know one of the bays on opposite side was definitely earlier (not sure if 6 or 8 pm) as there was a space about a ft too short for me I tried to get into.

edit GSV suggests I'm wrong about the bays on the side I parked adjoining the SYL and are 10 pm.

Thanks

Jim

It needs tweaking. I'll do it later.

Just a gentle reminder on this. PCN was served 25/10 so still plenty of time.

Thanks

Jim

Draft Appeal

I am appealing the issue of PCN number MW93865873 on the basis that the contravention did not occur. The reason for this is detailed below.

The signage entering the CPZ is seriously defective and thus invalidating Controlled Parking Zone E. Given that the CPZ is invalid due to poor signage, the single yellow line on which I was parked is therefore not enforceable since, as the CPZ is invalid, the line has no hours of enforcement. The single yellow line also had no yellow time plate.

The defective CPZ signage is detailed below

I entered CPZ E heading north on Canterbury St, before turning around and parking on the SYL outside Medway Medals where the alleged contravention occurred.

The signs at the entry to CPZ E, where my car entered the CPZ, are located at the junction of Canterbury St and Stafford St. The attached photograph shows the drivers view of the sign(s) approaching entry to CPZ.
As can be seen from the attached photo is very difficult to see either CPZ E start sign. The left hand and right hand signs are arrowed to help enable their identification.

The sign on the left hand side of the road cannot be seen at all. The left hand side sign has been rotated completely through 90 degrees and only its pole is visible. The left hand sign can only be seen if actually in Stafford St.

The sign on the right hand side is also severely rotated, it can just be made out that there is a sign there, but is at such an acute angle, that it is completely impossible to read it. The sign is also unlit and it was dark at the time of driving past it.

It is completely unreasonable to expect any motorist to be able to read and interpret either sign whilst driving north on Canterbury St. as they are currently positioned.

From google street view it can be seen that the signs have been like this for many years and rarely, if ever, maintained. Medway Council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996. The council have demonstrably failed to do this. The traffic order for the CPZ E is therefore invalid.

Link to Photo of entry to zone

So this is the entry - well worth taking this on.

I believe so.

OK, so badly maintained signage.
The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is not properly visible to approaching motorists.

From my understanding the signage is defective so the cpz is invalid.

How does this nullify the original SYL offence?

Does the traffic order that makes the cpz effectively also make the SLY so in effect it's completely unenforceable.

Or is it defaulted back to no cpz and therefore should have a yellow time plate. Does each SYL section need a yellow plate if not in a cpz ? - I can see on GSV there is a SYL with a yellow plate further north, could they argue I should have used the times on that one.

Many Thanks for your help.

Jim

Quote from: stamfordman on October 28, 2025, 04:45:24 pm

OK, so you were in zone E?

Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check signs at the entry.

Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.

google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road on left

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A

I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.

I think this is the zone E entry sign as I said earlier, opposite the stafford rd junction between green house and blue garage

https://imgpile.com/p/Ly0bkG4

(For some reason it won't let me embed the imgpile links as images)