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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: November 09, 2024, 11:44:44 am »
Hello All, representation has been accepted and PCN has been cancelled.  :)

Thank you all for your kind help. Have a good weekend!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 30, 2024, 09:12:39 pm »
Thanks @stamfordman. Appreciate your help.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 29, 2024, 10:16:23 pm »
Hello All,
The deaodline is approaching to submit rep. Is below rep any good?


I deny liability for this PCN on the following grounds:

1. The parking was paid. The council has acknowledged the receipt during the last appeal stating the parking charge was observed at 13.45pm. The parking was paid from 12.55 to 14.55pm. See attached payment receipt, and parking appeal rejection.


2. Thanks I parked on the road outside No 67, and on the opposite side of the road outside No 66 there is a sign which gives the payment location as 70038 (see attached photos which show my car in place on Bryon road with the PCN in place and the sign outside No 66 clearly visible and showing 70038). I made payment as soon as I arrived whilst sitting in my car, using the location code easily visible from the driver's window of my car.  Since this was clearly visible I had no need to search for other signs on the road. 

In light of the payment being made in good faith, it follows the PCN must therefore be cancelled.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 22, 2024, 10:49:51 pm »
@stamfordman, that's really nice of you to go to the area and taking the pics. Thank you @stamfordman. I am grateful.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 18, 2024, 08:27:00 am »
Thank you @stamfordman. @Enceladus.

I appreciate your help and time spent on this.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 17, 2024, 10:04:51 pm »
Thanks all. @stamfordman, @RichardW, @Incandescent

So what do you all propose? What is the way forward for my representation? Could you please help? Many thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 16, 2024, 11:52:40 am »
Thank you all for the input. @Stamfordman, @Andersen, @RichardW

Shall I put below in my representation? Is there any template I can use? I searched the spreadsheet but could't find the suitable.

Representation ground:
The alleged contravention did not occur.

VRN: EA15 FCF
PCN: PN3942539A

Reason: I could not understand why I was issued PCN even though I have paid for the parking as seen in attached receipt from 12.55 to 14.55. My appeal was rejected by the case worker stating "your vehicle was observed at 13.25. I have noted your comments however after reviewing the evidence provided I can confirm the payment expired at 14.55". Case worker acknowledged payment for parking but have rejected my challenge. I am asking for cancellation on the grounds that you have clearly accepted parking was paid for at the time of the contravention.

Upon detailed analysis of the PCN and payment, I realised that it possibly would have occurred that instead of 70300, I would have keyed in 70308 as the numbers sit on top of each other on keyboard. I paid in good faith that I am paying for the parking. As a good citizen, I had no intention of not paying for the parking. Both payments goes to the council so they are not at loss. I can only apologise for the possible error.

Is this enough or should I add/delete? 
I thought of revisiting the area in the weekend but didn't dare thinking I will get another PCN for bus lane or whatever.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 06:33:03 pm »
Yes, Absolutely correct summary @Andersen.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 05:46:55 pm »
Hello All,

Thanks for the reply. I didn't do anything special. Just used the template provided by council as following.

Dear Newham Council Appeals

Penalty Charge Notice number: PN3942539A

I wish to appeal against my Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).

I paid to park using my mobile phone but was given a Penalty Charge Notice, so I would be grateful if you would reconsider my case.

I confirm that:

–  As evidence, I attach a screenshot or a receipt of my parking session.
–  I paid enough to cover my stay in the location I was in.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 03:11:33 pm »
I went to Eastham. I found a parking on a road with the sign of paybyphone. I had an account so I paid with paybyphone using location code shown on the road for two hours. I didn't know what was the road. I just paid what was the location code shown on the sign (70038) as seen in my pics with the car and sign on top. I parked on the passenger side of the road but the sign was on the driver's side of the road. I came back after some time to find a PCN on my car even though I had paid for two hours. I downloaded the receipt from the paybyphone which shows Gladstone Avenue location code 70038 but the PCN states I parked on the Byron Road 70030. All the time, I was parked on the same location (on Byron road opposite to the paybyphone sign 70038). It just looks like they have two area code on the passenger and driver side of the road. As I have paid the parking charge, I appealed uploading all the documents. My appeal was rejected stating below

"Your vehicle was observed at 13:25 Parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge in Byron Avenue. You have stated that you had a valid payment at the time the PCN was issued. I have noted your comments however after reviewing the evidence provided I can confirm that your payment expired at 14:55."

The question is I paid for two hours i.e. 12.55 to 14.55 so how my payment is expired.
Why there are two location code on the same street.
GSV shows entire Byron road is location code 70030 however when I parked the area code was 70038 drivers' side of the road on Byron road and the rest of the signs had 70030 location code.
 
I hope it helps. Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 02:46:19 pm »
Hello Anderson,

Thanks for the reply. What exactly you would like me to check? I can go to that location in the weekend (2 hrs drive from my place, happy to go again if it helps the case.) Shall I take pictures of all the signs on the Byron Road? Is there any way to know I know if the half road is different? What should I be looking for? Sorry for lots of questions but I am new and not sure how all these works. Appreciate any help. Thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 12:57:08 pm »
I am not sure. What would be the situation.

Initially, I thought that I parked on the other side of the road so I got PCN.
Then, realised if it is a Byron Road (70030) having a location code of Gladstone Avenue(70038) displaying on the Byron Road sign board.
Old GSV images shows everywhere on Byron Road the code is 70030. but now, as my pic shows, it has 70038 code (Gladstone Avenue) on Byron Road.
I just paid on the code on the road I parked, I have no idea what it should be.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 12:33:39 pm »
Thanks Stamfordman.

Would you recommend any template/case I can refer to and prepare a representation? Thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 09:30:52 am »
https://ibb.co/j4JWck1



Hey Anderson, you are right. GSV shows old picture. If you look at the link, it shows 70038 on top of my car parked on Byron Road opposite side of house no 66. Looks like a mistake on council's part in numbering. Gladstone Avenue is two streets after.

It has open a whole new possibility.

How to proceed from here?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Byron Road, Newham Council, Code 12. Parking paid but using the code visible from my car.
« on: October 11, 2024, 09:06:27 am »
Thanks for the input Stamfordman.

@  Incandescent : The parking conditions are same for both sided of the road. Same amount of money for the time so council hasn't lost anything.

@ H C Andersen:  :) Yes, Specsavers. Actually, I din't know that two sides of the same road will have different code. I just paid which is closest to my car and visible from the window so I don't need to go out and open my phone on the road. If you look at the pictures, one with the PCN on my car and the notice board shows 70038. There is another picture uploaded by the warden which shows 70030 which is on the same side of the car parked but further down the road.

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