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Yesterday, I had an appointment, so I opened up Electroverse to see charging points to plug in my EV for the hour.

I saw an empty EV bay with a lamppost, usually powered by Ubitricity, and usually not working (because their app is so bad that you can't even register - the "continue" button is unclickable, but that's another story). I said I'll complete the payment/start the charging via Electroverse. I tap on start charging, put the phone away (since it takes a few seconds) and go to my appointment. A moment later, I see an error on the screen "something went wrong: we're aware and doing our best to fix it". It was too late for me to go back.

When I came back I found a ticket for which I was kind of prepared to challenge because the EV wasn't charging but wasn't my fault in the end.

Instead, what I've found was a code 16! I looked up and wondered "but this is an EV charging bay, what the hell?" only to see that apparently this is an EV charging bay ONLY for residents. Is this a new one now?

Also, from the pics it's not showing that the bay marking does not specify a residents only, it's the generic CV charging bay. I think you get my point; it looks like any council can create an EV bay and slam whatever requirements they think of on the sign?







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Where's the 'whole bay outside 1 to 3'? There don't appear to be bays, it's a parking place reserved to permit holders which does not have internal dividers as suggested in the plan.

Furthermore, if the bay was a discrete unit then the traffic sign should have been covered because it applied only to the suspended area.

And as parking prior to 8.30 was unrestricted, albeit within a designated parking place, then IMO a penalty could not be demanded before 8.41. Regulation 5 refers:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/regulation/5

Some thoughts.




Thank you all for your input and for pointing out the 5 min rule, the sign clearly states 08.30 - 18:30 daily, therefore it doesn't stipulate 2 x 24hrs. So 8:33 would break the 10 minute rule, the legislation is clear.

Also, as you mentioned, there is one bay that spans from Solo M/Cs to the charging bay in front of me.

So what are my next steps? Challenge the PCN on those grounds?

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Yesterday my neighbour knocked on my door and said "there's 3 people around your car and they're about to tow it".

To my surprise I went downstairs only to find 3 guys, a tow truck, and a PCN already issued.

I asked what happened, and they said that this is a partially suspended bay. I looked, and there was indeed that funny yellow piece of plastic on a column (which I obviously didn't notice). I live just upstairs, and I've seen these green signs on and off here and there.

The tower handed me the ticket and said "here's your present", language that I did not appreciate at all, but ho hum.

I said "you know that it's illegal to tow cars?". He replied "we weren't going to tow it, we were just going to relocate it". I said that I was busy and don't have time to have an argument about this.

Granted, there was a yellow sign that was prohibiting parking (someone was moving in, or out, and I reckon they have put a request to the council for that?), however, I have a life and two kids that I need to be taking back and forth to the nursery, and I honestly don't have the time to read or pay attention to every sign that Camden decides to put up, especially right below where I live. As far as I'm concerned, it's a parking space and I am allowed to park.

They should at least make it a little more obvious, like they do whenever they feel like e.g. yellow tape to clearly mark the place -why did not they do that?









Location is here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/QPioruLcqUsQ3uDq5

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This is what I see btw, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

https://imgur.com/a/ZXxT0gM

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Trying to paste from imgur but images don't show.

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Read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
So what makes you think a sign only 5 metres away is poor signage ? What standard do you think the council should apply ?

That came across wrong: I don't think it's poor signage. What I'm asking is whether there's a way to get away with it because of some potential council error on the street. It happens sometimes, e.g. I won against a PCN that was issued whilst parked on an EV bay without charging, because the whole legislation and signage were out of order.

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I forgot my car parked through Sunday to Monday morning under my flat on a single yellow line and I've got a ticket.

Although I know I shouldn't have parked there, I wonder if there's a way of getting away due to poor signage.

My car was where the empty space is in the pic and some 5 meters away is the sign.

Location Camden, West Hampstead.


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