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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham City Council PCN
« on: November 15, 2024, 11:10:16 am »
Ok thanks. Will do and get it submitted so that it goes to tribunal.
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I plan to reply to the RingGo account to show I have paid and they've kept that money even though the car wasn't in the car park.
Why? IMO, it's distracting and is far less compelling than your main grounds. You would have to show that they misapplied their own policy.
But their policy appears to be discretionary on this point, so effectively you'd be asking the adjudicator to exercise that power which they cannot do.
That you paid the council is NOT your main grounds IMO.
Appeal submitted tonight...will let you know how I get on.What was this 'appeal'? To whom was it submitted?
Date of hearing?
Birmingham send the Evidence Pack to the tribunal with a copy to you.
In the pack there should be a 1-3 page summary of why they think the tribunal should reject your appeal: also a list of contents. Please post these docs here.
OK - so those are your words - I was hoping you'd picked up that exact sentence from their website somewhere.
I would still cite their direction to consult their policy which says to me that a first time such mistake is forgivable.
And I asked you where you saw this as it's not in the policy doc I got:
"In cases of first-time contraventions where a mistake has been made, including incorrect Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM) or method of payment errors, we may cancel the PCN."
Also they seem to have taken down the policy doc they refer to in their rejection! This can also be mentioned and it's still online here:
http://bit.ly/2Wl1Spj
They have referred you to their discretion policy, which while not well written or spelling this out in the 'may accept' column tells me that they would consider cancelling for a first time mistake with the car VRM as the 'may reject' column clearly says that such mistakes can give rise to cancellation where a PCN has been issued in 'similar circumstances' which include wrong VRM.
I would go back to them now pointing out that their 'unable to cancel' does not square with their policy on individual merits listed by them. Cancelling for a first time mistake with location/VRM is a common reason to cancel a PCN among councils as payment has been made.
I suggest these minor amendments. I have brought into the reps the language used in their prior rejection.
The alleged contravention iscited as: "Parked in a car park without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher or parking clock". However, as your initial rejection makes clear, I was parked in your 'Park and Pay by phone facility'and paid for my parking using the Pay by Phone service. which does not require a physical ticket to be displayed. Given that there was no requirement to display a ticket, the correct contravention code should have been: "Parked without payment of the parking charge." As I complied with the parking terms by paying via phone, this penalty appears unjustified. I respectfully ask that you reconsider this error.
I would go with both - draft something and we'll tweak it.