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1-0 England ! Lets go !!! :-)

That bet lasted just seven minutes! 

ahh... 1-0 down in under 10mins ! Ouch

BUT predicted a England win, so that counts for something !

Well done to the boys and Gareth Southgate...gets a lot of unfair stick...

England for the win on Sunday !

I strongly suggest that you wind your neck in, and focus on the issues, rather than whether or not you feel you have been treated with the deference you feel you are entitled to.

See, there is no need for this sort of language or behaviour.

Quote from: littlebee on July 08, 2024, 09:05:00 am

Quote from: Southpaw82 on July 05, 2024, 07:41:33 pm

How do you know that the speed limit where you were caught had not changed for over an hour? Presumably you didn’t sit there and watch?

Incredible the amount sarcasm and discourteous posters on this forum.

I was seeking clarification, as your answers weren’t clear as to whether you understood that different limits could apply in different areas. The fact you find this sarcastic and discourteous is on you, not me.

You know full well what you did and said.

You said ''presumably you didn't sit there and watch'' - this was your sarcasm and you being discourteous.

Why on earth would anyone ''sit there and watch'' ?

Where are the good days of ''pepipoo'' that was a forum run really well with fantastic community.

There have been a lot of friendly posters here but some unhelpful ones too.

thanks anyway.

There is no "speed limit on the motorway" except the default 70mph. When variable limits are in use, they can and do vary on different sections of road. The 1hr 27 mins applies only to the gantry where you were photographed, and it is entirely possible that it had remained unchanged for a long period while those before and/or after it varied.

I ask again, did you see the limit on that particular gantry change as you approached?
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Ok thanks and that explained it really well.

I am not sure if the speed limit changed on that particular gantry.

My issue is the volume of different variable limits applied through out the section of the motorway - its like they were put in place to deliberately trick users with the constant changes as each gantry was approached.

Quote from: littlebee on July 05, 2024, 04:19:34 pm

I managed to access the photo evidence.

On there it states, ''time since speed limit change'' ''1hour 27mins and 22 seconds''

So, I read that as, the speed limit did not change for over 1 hour and 27mins ?

That is just not correct, the speed limits constantly changed ! Is there a way I can request or obtain the speed limits on that day for that section of the motorway ?

Thanks

The only limit that matters is the one you're alleged to have exceeded: what happened on the rest of your journey is irrelevant.

Did you see the limit on that particular gantry change? Presumably not, or you would have complied.

BTW when a limit does reduce, you will not be prosecuted for immediately speeding past the sign. The system has a built-in delay before the cameras are activated for the new limit.

The speed limit changed on a regular basis.

They are saying it did not change for well over an hour, that is simply not true !

The speed limit on the motorway continued to change through out the journey and absolutely did change more than a few times in an hour.

They have made a mistake. How do I prove they made the mistake ? Is the speed limit information something I can formally request ?

Quote from: littlebee on June 27, 2024, 02:38:16 pm

OK - so they don't have to prove that the cameras they used were accurate/valid and that the speed restriction wasn't an anomaly on their part, before going to court ? Are these not reasonable questions to raise, before going to court?

If the cameras say were not perfectly aligned they could give a mis-reading ?

No they don't have to prove anything at all before going to court, the point of the out of court settlements is to allow those who accept their guilt to receive some benefit in terms of a lesser punishment, they only have to prove anything if you take it to court but then you will pay for the pleasure if found (0r then plead) guilty.

The cameras take a photo, if they are misaligned they wouldn't have your reg number - if the speed detecting radar were misaligned there wouldn't be a speed reading!

Of course if the cameras were misaligned they could over or under read the actual speed, so could be invalid in both circumstances.

Appreciate you taking time to respond, thanks.

Quote from: littlebee on June 27, 2024, 10:27:18 am

I've just received a fine from the hire company for getting a ''speeding ticket''' !

I presume you mean an admin charge from them, for the admin of replying to the NIP (well S172 request on the same piece of paper) with your details?
Perfectly normal.

Quote from: littlebee on June 27, 2024, 11:06:04 am

As these were variable speed cameras on the motorway and speed limit changed a few times, can I not question the credibility of the speed cameras (for example are they accurate) ?

Question the 'credibility' no, of course you are free to question the accuracy by declining any out of court resolution offered (course or fixed penalty) and then defending it court.  But if you fail to cast 'reasonable doubt' (and odds on you will fail) it will cost you about £1000 for exercising that right versus circa £100 for the out of court resolutions you are certain to be offered.  Unless you can identify specific issues you may be able to use in a defence, it's foolish to just 'hope' you can find something.

Yes, admin charge

OK - so they don't have to prove that the cameras they used were accurate/valid and that the speed restriction wasn't an anomaly on their part, before going to court ? Are these not reasonable questions to raise, before going to court?

If the cameras say were not perfectly aligned they could give a mis-reading ?
and question whether the speed restrictions were correctly applied between the different areas where they had restrictions in place - the speed restrictions seemed to be very inconsistent across the stretch of the motorway, on the narrower temporary lanes whilst motorway road works were taking place.

Hello everyone :-).

I hired a vehicle and used it for a long trip but sadly received a 'Notice of Intended Prosecution'' for the alleged offence of ''Exceed a variable speed limit - automatic camera device'', speed was allegedly 46mph and the speed limit was reduced to 40mph, this was on the M1 motorway where the national speed limit is 70mph.

The variable speed limit changed throughout the journey, from the national speed limit of 70 and all the variations in between.

The reduction in speed appeared to be due to road works on the motorway, it was around 04:00am when the traffic volume was low.

The speed adjustments were prevalent through out the journey and part of me believes I was within the speed limit - not sure how accurate the speeding cameras were and if the speed limits readjusted just before I passed through a camera, for which they have penalised me, but I cant be sure.

I received the notice of intended prosecution, 1 month after the offence date (around 28 days between them) - I'm guessing the Police must have contacted the hire company to get my details.

And to add to the problems, I've just received a fine from the hire company for getting a ''speeding ticket''' !

I just wanted to see what you guys thought and if anyone has been in a similar situation ? I do not believe I was speeding, it was the motorway and I was in a hire vehicle, little annoyed and not sure what, if anything, I could do to challenge this.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks all