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The Flame Pit / Re: Most vexatious rep ever?
« on: August 02, 2023, 12:39:16 am »
Love both relying on statue and some FMOTL nonsense.

On the flipside, they do deserve some sympathy for being the only person in the country held to task for parking outside a school. We walk to school but the local residents are always angry about school run mums abandoning their cars across driveways and sometimes just in the middle of the road to get their sprog a few metres closer to the school gate.

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The Flame Pit / Re: DVLA blitz in Birmingham
« on: August 02, 2023, 12:32:33 am »
Not a natural fan of the DVLA what with them being a bunch of self pleasurers but surprised they don't do more enforcement. Loads of cars around here don't have tax. Seems like it would be shooting fish in a barrel to drive a van around with ANPR and clamp them. Easy money.

As far as I can work out if you hypothetically drove around in an "average" petrol/diesel car for ten years only paying the fines when you're caught with no tax then you'd easily be quids in unless you are very unlucky. The reason why most people don't is because it's only an option for the unemployed who aren't buggered if they can't get to work.

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The Flame Pit / Re: WTF!
« on: August 02, 2023, 12:24:32 am »
Wish someone had taken over andyfoster.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Permitted parking for Private Taxi
« on: July 27, 2023, 02:26:22 am »
1. Find local cafes/hotels etc to recommend.
2. Recommend them to customers.
3. Said local businesses will happily let you use their toilets and give you unlimited free hot drinks and some food as a thank you.

If you work for a taxi company and they are half decent they will have already signed up local hotels/BnBs use them exclusively for guest taxis in exchange (among other things) for drivers using their toilets.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 13, 2023, 10:13:07 am »
You're forgetting how much more manpower the police put into prosecuting motorists then drug dealers.

Anyway, ultimately it's your choice. I think it is unwise to rely on a one man band in Illinois but you're right in that comparing it to the old forums this is still better. If you'd like assistance setting it up on your own hosting the offer is still there, takes all of 15 minutes to do and IMO will futureproof the site a lot better.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 12, 2023, 11:32:58 pm »
What is a police force going to do with an IP address? As I understand it they would need a warrant to obtain the subscriber's details from an ISP, they can't just call up Vodafone or BT and get a name and address.

And not being funny but even if the police identified an OP from an IP address, so what? If an OP comes here and we identify a defence worth running (faulty TRO, signs not giving adequate guidance, 1st NIP posted on day 15 or whatever else) there is nothing the police could find on here that would help them. At most, they'd realise there isn't a reasonable prospect of conviction and they'd just let it go.

If we identify that there is no defence worth running, the OP is no worse off than before (after all as far as the police are concerned they had enough evidence to get a conviction all along).

CaF uses the ad revenue to pay for hosting the site, which effectively costs nothing at all to run (aside from a nominal yearly fee for the domain and SSL functionality).

We could pay a monthly fee to remove the CaF ads and then put our own ads up to generate ad revenue to pay the fees, but it seems like a lot of faffing about for no real benefit.
It's very easy to Geolocate an IP address sufficiently to link it to an existing case.

To be honest I'm a bit surprised at your cavalier approach to user data but if you aren't concerned about having no control over website security or data then the current solution should be fine. I would definitely recommend speaking to anyone who was around when it because clear the police are/were scraping data from Pepipoo en masse to see if allowing even easier access this time is a good idea.

Maybe users won't mind posting knowing police forces are analysing every post on the site.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 11, 2023, 11:36:34 pm »
What "secure" data is held on this public forum exactly?
Well, people are asking for legal advice with their IP address. IP address is personal data under GDPR and bearing in mind police forces used to scrape the old Pepipoo (hence using images for police forces) no doubt they will eventually do the same here.

There's a reason why if you are taking legal advice from a solicitor you don't send an anonymous transcript of the conversation to the police to see if they can match it up with an existing case.

But if you think the data on this site has no value either to the admins or anyone else, whether it be the police or someone trying to make money that is your decision. CaF obviously see value in the data which is why they monetise the links.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 09, 2023, 11:18:47 pm »
Actually as both the domain name and the SSL certificate have been paid for, there's a contractual relationship that is just as enforceable as the contractual relationship with any other hosting provider (you know, consideration, acceptance and all of that).
The domain name has been purchased from GoDaddy. From their website CaF don't sell domain names so presumably it was purchased seperately.

The SSL certificate is a free Let's Encrypt one so if you paid for that you've been ripped off.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 09, 2023, 11:12:42 pm »
This site is still in its early days. I’m happy to receive constructive advice and help. Frankly, I don’t understand much of what you’ve said (though I’ve also not taken any time to research it) - but if you can articulate a ‘better way’ in simple terms I’ll listen.
On a normal forum you have control of the database and so if you need to move to a new host, new software or whatever you are able to do this.

With this setup, someone else controls the data which means it is practically very difficult if the host decides to stop offering the service, close the forum, even start charging high fees, because you need to pay them for the data of all the users, posts etc and very likely even if you did it's not going to be in a useful format you can use to move the forum somewhere else.

Additionally, at the moment CreateaForum are monetising all the links which means they are getting revenue which could instead go towards paying for the site costs.

Certainly CreateaForum could be a great company who will host the site without issue. But if they turn out not to be or just want to close the business, or someone takes it over with the aim to charge the existing client base then very likely the forum will need to start from scratch again or pay whatever they ask.

Hosting is cheap, and if the forum was hosted by FTLA then there would be no need to rely on one company. Multiple people could receive daily/weekly backups. You can also control what forum software you want to use and upgrade as and when for security or aesthetic reasons rather than being reliant on the current host.

tl;dr Data is valuable, and the current setup means we are locked into the current provider who may or may not continue to provide access on the same terms in future.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 09, 2023, 12:29:37 am »
I don't know if you're being deliberately unintelligent.

1st amendment is freedom of religion. Nothing to do with an online forum.

The privacy policy is currently up to the host CreateaForum. They are hosting it for free, they decide who has access to the data.

If you are paying for hosting you make regular backups of the database and move the database to a different provider if needed. With CreateaForum you pay $50 per backup with no guarantee the data is usable seeing as they use their own custom software.

https://support.createaforum.com/8/export-content/

Pepipoo heads down the same path as the old forums, if the owner gets hit by a bus/goes AWOL then the forum becomes a zombie forum.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 07, 2023, 11:26:06 pm »
The site is hosted in the US, so it is protected by the first amendment (which is broader than Article 10 of the ECHR) and any letters from a UK police force are likely to end up in the bin.

That being said, things are being put in place via an offshore limited company.
No idea what 1st amendment has to do with anything unless we're running a church.

Their privacy policy allows them to disclose anything they want. Maybe they would ignore any requests but to me it seems a bit short sighted to avoid a third party with no interest in the site controlling the data and potentially disclosing or even deleting it for any reason.

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We will disclose any information about you to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to respond to claims and legal process (such as subpoena requests), to protect our property and rights or the property and rights of a third party, to protect the safety of the public or any person, or to prevent or stop activity we consider to be illegal or unethical.

I would say the relatively little extra work to create a self hosted forum would quite likely be worth it in the medium term and happy to help (used to work as a web developer) if there is interest. It should also be possible to get all the content from the old forum into a new one if it's self hosted so keep accumulated knowledge.

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The Flame Pit / Re: A new beginning
« on: July 06, 2023, 01:06:36 am »
Whilst the old site was out of date and highly insecure, I do think if people want a relaunched Pepipoo then it would be good to get it properly hosted rather than on a "free forum" type site where exporting the data will be equally difficult if/when the "free" company folds or decides to start charging fees.

Additionally, any ad revenue can go back into the running of the site.

Not saying it's not a good idea but I would think about ways that someone - probably a limited company - can own the site and control the data now. Better than having some spotty teenager in 'Murica be able to decide to delete the site because they received a scary letter on police letterhead.

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