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Hi everybody,

It's only 2 days to the 28 day timeframe for them to reply, and nothing yet. Should I contact them for updates? Nothing in spam either!

Thanks a lot.

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Did you appeal online? If so, check your spam. They have 35 days to respond, but generally ought to have acknowledged your appeal by now.

Nothing in my spam, have been religiously checking!

Is this normal?

Thanks so much!

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Edited slightly as follows:

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This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given as the NtK does not fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i). As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. In addition, the photos on the NtK are not time-stamped. In other words, they have been altered or cropped. That is a breach of the BPA CoP 21.5a. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.

Unless anyone else suggests otherwise, send that off to them, remembering that you are responding only as the keeper.

THANK YOU! Wish me luck!!

Hi all,

It's been 2 weeks since I've sent the appeal to Brittania, and have yet to receive a reply by post or email! When should I be expecting it? Thanks so much!

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Edited slightly as follows:

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This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given as the NtK does not fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i). As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. In addition, the photos on the NtK are not time-stamped. In other words, they have been altered or cropped. That is a breach of the BPA CoP 21.5a. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.

Unless anyone else suggests otherwise, send that off to them, remembering that you are responding only as the keeper.

THANK YOU! Wish me luck!!

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Thanks everyone for their input!! Really appreciate it. To be honest, we were that close to paying the 60quid but decided to fight it. The fine is disproportionate to the actual "crime", if there was even any in the first place!!!

Here's our final appeal to Britannia - would this be fine to use? It's going to go to popla stage anyway I'm sure but just in case...

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This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given as the NtK does not fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA. As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. In addition, the photos on the NtK are not time-stamped. In other words, they have been altered or cropped. That is a breach of the BPA CoP 21.5a. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.
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You have to appeal to Britannia first. You will only get an opportunity to appeal to POPLA if Britannia reject your appeal (which they will).

In your appeal to Britannia, irrespective of whether you paid or not, you should not be the liable person to pay. The liable person is the driver. Britannia have no idea who the driver is. You, as the keeper, are under no legal obligation to reveal the identity of the driver and Britannia are not allowed to simply presume or infer that because you are the keeper, you must also be the driver.

If the NtK had contained the all the required wording of PoFA and had been delivered within the required timescale, Britannia, because they don't know the identity of the driver, pass that liability to you, the keeper. However, they have failed to fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA and so, cannot pass that liability on to you, the keeper.

Because they cannot rely on the provisions of PoFA to hold you, the keeper, liable, the burden of proof falls on Britannia to prove you were also the driver. The only way they can get that proof is if you tell them you were the driver. Remember, you are under no legal obligation to identify the driver, whether it was you or not.

So, appeal to Britannia with the following:

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This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the usual trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NtK does not fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA. As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw.

No need to expend a lot of wasted effort at this stage as they will reject the appeal, no matter what. No need to inform them about which specific element of PoFA they have failed. They will just say that their NtK was PoFA compliant. It is at POPLA stage that your best chance of having this cancelled.

Thank you so much for taking the time with your replies!!! I will be appealing to Britannia with "This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the usual trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NtK does not fully comply with the strict requirements of PoFA. As there is no keeper liability, therefore, liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and so, is an automatic win at POPLA. Please cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code at which point you will auto withdraw."

I have 2 more questions though. What happens if I don't win the Popla appeal? Will I still "enjoy" the discounted fine of 60quid, or would it go up to 100quid or even more?

Thanks so much again.

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Thanks!! Should I be appealing now on the grounds of the cropped image, to which they would most certainly reject, and then it'll go to the popla stage?

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One additional point that POPLA will need to be made aware of is that the photos on the NtK are not time stamped. In other words, they have been altered or cropped. That is a breach of the BPA CoP 21.5a.

Unfortunately on the website they have more images which has the timestamp on it

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Hi, thanks for the reply! How do I check if it's land under statutory control?

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Hiya, hope someone would be able to help shed some light on this as I'll only have up to Monday to pay the discounted 60 quid.. thanks so much!

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Hi, this was at the North Landing overflow carpark at the top of the cliff, near North Landing Cafe. We did pay for the parking though, which means we did knowingly entered the contract? Just that we were 20 minutes late.

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Hi!

Received a PCN in the mail a few days ago...

Britannia accused us of failing to make a valid payment, but we did pay but was late to exit by about 20 minutes. We were visiting Flamborough and made the mistake of going on a boat tour that left late by about 30 minutes.

The carpark was very busy and we had a toddler with us, so it took us time to find locate the car, strap her in, exit etc.

How can I appeal this? Thank you!

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