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CaptainG, please start your own thread on your issue.
This is the best thing to get help, otherwise it`s high jacking someone else's post.

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The invitation for the keeper to pay, is not there.

If this is a "permit holders only"

Then there is no contract to a non permit holder.

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPC -DCBL - B11 Birmingham Court Claim
« on: April 27, 2026, 09:53:07 am »
Do some searching online google etc for "Tyseley Wharf"

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Why have you not received anything in the past?
Have you moved address in that time?

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPC -DCBL - B11 Birmingham Court Claim
« on: April 24, 2026, 10:00:05 am »
Can you show the back of the PPN?

If it is Dock area it may well be covered by bylaws.

Also, lastly from one of the best previous posters it was said that do not pay UKPC a penny they will most likely discontinue the claim before paying the court fee. 

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The keeper did contact M&S to see if they could help cancelling the charge, but they advised that it is not their car park and is privately managed, so they were unable to help.
 Yet the signage says it is managed on behalf of M&S!

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Is the vehicle leased?

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One angle here is that Royal Victoria Dock may well be covered by bylaws and is not private land.
Regulars will advise.

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The best replies to DCB Legal were wrote by b789, unfortunately he/she is no longer posting.

Do a search in the box for DCB Legal
This is one of the replies that was suggested.
Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I am not obliged to identify the driver and I decline to do so. As there is no legal presumption that the keeper of a vehicle was its driver on any particular occasion, your client cannot pursue me as driver as per VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C].

As your client cannot pursue me as driver or keeper, it would be an abuse of the court’s process for your client to issue a claim against me and I will defend any such claim vigorously and seek costs in relation to your client’s unreasonable and vexatious conduct under Part 27.14(2)(g)

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKCPS leeds station
« on: April 16, 2026, 05:11:45 pm »
Can you post up a copy of the PPN you received?
With personal details redacted but leave dates.

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKCPS leeds station
« on: April 16, 2026, 01:47:25 pm »
What did you put in the appeal?
Was the driver Identified?
Can you get photos of the signage showing the positions?

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As long as you have the proof of the breakdown, then this could come under a frustration of contract and you could not leave.

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A complaint to the Sports Park operators explaining this issue, as the more people that complain the better.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Smart Parking PCN - AirBnB car park
« on: April 01, 2026, 04:37:08 pm »
If the AirB&B host was not helpful, then a turn to social media and put up a warning to others and the hosts unhelpfulness.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Letter before claim from Moorside Legal
« on: March 30, 2026, 10:24:32 am »
Do not try to telephone them, everything in writing.

The drivers ID must not be given at all.

As above read that information first and come back.

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