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Thank you very much for your support and advice

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Are you sure that your correct, current address is on the V5C held by Motability? Have changed address at any time since you received the vehicle?

The most common reason why people don't receive the initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) is because they have not updated their V5C after a move. You need to check this.

As already mentioned, it is too late to appeal. You can safely ignore DRP and any other debt collector. They are powerless to do anything. They are not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. Use their letters as kindling or to line the bottom of a litter tray.

We don't need to see them and you should simply ignore them. What you may want to do, especially of the V5C does not have your current address on it is to send a Data Rectification Notice to the DPO at Parking Services and Enforcement Ltd, instructing them to update their records with your current address for service and to erase the old address and to notify any third party they have passed your information on to. The highlighted words are there for a reason. Use them.

You will need to respond to a Letter of Claim (LoC) should they decide to progress this. A claim is easily defended. The county court is the ultimate dispute resolution service and only a judge would be able to say whether you have a debt.

Let us know if the V5C address is correct and up to date.

Is this the letter of Claim (Loc) that I need to respond to??

I would be greaful for your assistance

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Have a read of (and show her)
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/

Thank you, I have read it as well and I have advised them to wait for the Order of recovery

just out of curiosity For Moving Traffic Contraventions (MTC) issued by a traffic enforcement camera, how long does the council have to issue the PCN from the date of the contravention , 14, 21 or 28 days

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Hi everyone,

I am posting on behalf of a friend who has received two Charge Certificates for Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) that were never received. She is extremely shocked as this is the first time she is hearing about these penalties.

Here are the details as per the council's records:

First PCN:

• Contravention Date: 30/11/2024 at 14:37
• PCN Issue Date: 17/12/2024 at 03:00
• Charge Certificate Issued: 27/01/2025
• Contravention: 52(M) - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
• Location: Downhills Park Road N17 (Walpole Road Eastbound)

Second PCN:

• Contravention Date: 01/12/2024 at 00:47
• PCN Issue Date: 17/12/2024 at 03:00
• Charge Certificate Issued: 27/01/2025
• Contravention: 52(M) - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
• Location: Downhills Park Road N17 (Walpole Road Westbound)

Issue:

The registered keeper never received the original PCNs. If they had, they would have either paid or appealed within the time limit. Now, the charge has increased by 50%, making each penalty £195 instead of £130.

From my understanding, at the Charge Certificate stage, the enforcement authority will not engage and will likely advise waiting for the Order for Recovery (TE3/TE9 forms).

Questions:

1) For Moving Traffic Contraventions (MTC) issued by a traffic enforcement camera, how long does the council have to issue the PCN? Is it 14 days or 21 days?
2) Are these counted as working days or calendar days?
3) If the time limit is 14 days, does this mean these PCNs are invalid since they were issued on 17/12/2024, more than 14 days after the contravention?
4) What is the best course of action at this stage? Should we wait for the Order for Recovery and submit a statutory declaration stating that the PCNs were not received?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as this is very stressful. Thank you in advance for your help!

Charge Certificate - 1

Charge Certificate 2

Video for the 1st PCN

Video for the 2nd PCN

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Thank you for the advice,

I have today submitted an appeal and will inform you of the outcome.

Here is the copy of appeal that I have submitted

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Hi everyone,

I recently received a PCN for "Contravention Code 48J: Stopped in a restricted area outside a school, hospital, or a fire, police, or ambulance station when prohibited (camera enforcement)." This occurred on Montagu Road (Ayesha Community School) on 19/12/2024 at 18:32.

I believe this notice is unfair as I was not stopping but waiting to enter a parking bay. You can see from the video that my vehicle was moving while waiting for another car to exit the bay. I was not idling or parked, just trying to access the parking space.

I’d really appreciate advice on how to challenge this PCN. Is there a way to present the video evidence showing my movement, and do I have strong grounds to appeal this?

Any help or guidance on how to word my appeal or any successful experiences with similar cases would be great!

Thanks in advance!


PDF COPY OF THE PCN



VIDEO EVIDENCE FROM BARNET

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You can export a PDF as as an image file from a PDF reader, use a website that does conversion, or upload to a host that accepts pdfs - eg imgbb.com

This is a case yesterday but there are lots of these as we know.

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2240406329


Mr Julian xxxxx has attended the hearing today as the authorised representative of his wife, Jaqueline xxxxx.
The CEO's images show Mrs xxxxx's car stopped on the single yellow line during the controlled hours. Mrs xxxxx appeals because she says that her husband was stopped to pick up their young child from xxxxx School in East End Road. The PCN was issued at 3.32pm. There was no observation period by the CEO before the PCN was issued and Mr xxxxx says that he was away from the car for around 5 minutes. He says that he saw the CEO on returning to the car and explained what he had been doing. Mr xxxxx tells me that his child is eight years old and must be collected from within the School premises.
I am satisfied from the evidence that Mr xxxxx was picking up his child from school and that the picking up exemption therefore applies. The exemption allows a motorist to leave a vehicle where a passenger needs to be escorted or assisted as is clearly the case with young children.

I have looked at the Tribunal case for this specific case you have quoted 2240406329 I cannot seem to find it.

I will be grateful if you could please confirm teh case reference number

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Thank you so much.

I will request a copy of the V5c from the Mobility scheme

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How can I remove the attachment with the redacted attachment please??

Just noticed that the reg number and PCN number are still on the letter - you should redact these. 

If you go to Parking Services and Enforcement web site (pessuk.com) you may be able to see the PCN notice - be careful not to tick any boxes that suggest you were the driver.  If you can get the PCN then post it up here (suitably redacted!).  Although you are past the 'official' appeal date you may be able to send in an appeal on a technical point (e.g. keeper liability).  Hopefully b789 will see this and may have some input on the hirer liability for Motability - the situation is unusual in that you are not the owner, but are listed as the reg keeper.  Is the DRP letter addressed to you personally?

Ultimately this may end up with a small claim court case, but it can usually be defended, and the parking co's almost always discontinue before it gets to a hearing, as long as you respond to the claim when it comes.

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Thank you very much for your advice.

I don’t have the V5C logbook, as it’s typically held by the Motability leasing company. We haven’t changed our address since we took the vehicle, so I assume the address on the V5C is correct.

I’ll ignore the DRP letter as per your recommendation and will update you if I receive anything further.

Thank you again, and I’ll keep you posted.

Are you sure that your correct, current address is on the V5C held by Motability? Have changed address at any time since you received the vehicle?

The most coming reason why people don't receive the initial Notice to Keeper (NtK) is because they have not updated their V5C after a move. You need to check this.

As already mentioned, it is too late to appeal. You can safely ignore DRP and any other debt collector. They are powerless to do anything. They are not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. Use their letters as kindling or to line the bottom of a litter tray.

We don't need to see them and you should simply ignore them. What you may want to do, especially of the V5C does not have your current address on it is to send a Data Rectification Notice to the DPO at Parking Services and Enforcement Ltd, instructing them to update their records with your current address for service and to erase the old address and to notify any third party they have passed your information on to. The highlighted words are there for a reason. Use them.

You will need to respond to a Letter of Claim (LoC) should they decide to progress this. A claim is easily defended. The county court is the ultimate dispute resolution service and only a judge would be able to say whether you have a debt.

Let us know if the V5C address is correct and up to date.

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Thank you very much for your advice and reassurance—it’s greatly appreciated.

To clarify, the vehicle is under the Motability Scheme, so the V5C/logbook is held by Motability. However, the vehicle is registered with the DVLA under my name as the registered keeper, though I do not have the V5C/logbook myself.

I didn’t receive the original NTK or any reminders—this letter from Debt Recovery Plus is the first correspondence I’ve seen. The address on the DRP letter is correct.

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Hi all,

I recently received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus (attached below) claiming that I owe £170 for an alleged parking charge notice (PCN). This letter is the first correspondence I’ve received regarding this issue—I haven’t received a parking ticket on the vehicle nor any previous letters or reminders. I’m now unsure how to proceed and would really appreciate any advice or guidance.

Here are the details:

• Date of alleged parking incident: 09/10/2024

• Location: Wharfside E14 0BN

• Reason for issue: Parked in a no-parking area

• The creditor: Parking Enforcement and Security Services

Important context:

• I was not the driver of the vehicle at the time of the alleged incident.

• The vehicle was being used to drop off a disabled passenger who holds a valid Blue Badge, and the car was not left unattended at any time during the drop-off.

• The vehicle is a registered mobility vehicle.

• I haven’t been provided with any photographic evidence of the alleged parking breach, either in this letter or elsewhere.

I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed as this has come out of nowhere, and I want to avoid making any mistakes in how I respond. I’m not sure if this letter is enforceable since I haven’t seen any prior notice or evidence, and I don’t believe there was a parking violation under the circumstances.

I would be grateful for any advice

• How should I respond to Debt Recovery Plus?

• Should I contact the original parking company mentioned in the letter (Parking Enforcement and Security Services) directly?

• Does the fact that the car is a mobility vehicle and was being used to drop off a disabled passenger provide me with any legal protections?

• Is this something I should ignore, or do I need to respond to avoid escalation?

• What steps can I take to ensure this situation is resolved fairly and without unnecessary financial loss?

I’ve attached a copy of the letter I received for reference. Any help, advice, or shared experiences would mean a lot to me. Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this and offer guidance—I truly appreciate it!

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Here is the list of cases that have gone to the London Tribunal for the location A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES

Case Reference

2240472549 - Appeal allowed

2240475456 - Appeal allowed

2240395459 - Appeal refused

2240423871 - Appeal allowed

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:60::INITIALISE::::&cs=387gq53mdbDTC8NU_tP1GBGpXFwa8WQceoWyU7OyFk1T4yKQJR49zLA1R41kOcLQ9M9HVvPybPvRUz0ZtFk0_4w

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