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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: June 02, 2026, 12:42:32 pm »
And just to be sure just checked with TEC and still not registered with them as yet.


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: June 02, 2026, 11:58:54 am »
Quote from: Incandescent on June 02, 2026, 11:48:43 am
It is urgent that you post up the letter from Marsdens, please.


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: June 02, 2026, 10:07:51 am »
I have kept checking with TEC - still not registered.

I imagine the Councils drag their feet a bit so as to save the £10 fee which I assume comes from their budget.

Meanwhile a letter from Marstons Debt Collectors - acting on behalf of the council - the debt is still £240, so no £10 extra fee added on, not at OFR state yet.

Should have contemplated this earlier it is likely too late now, or may not be advisable - is it worth direct to council pointing out it will cost them £10, I will get it knocked back down to the original amount anyway so why don't they just offer me that now and not bother with the extra stage?  I am not contesting the ticket/PCN just the fact that is has become inflated to £240 due to DVLA and postal service being shoddy.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: April 19, 2026, 06:13:10 pm »
Quote from: RichardW on April 19, 2026, 06:00:32 pm
There's a statutory process to get it reset if you didn't get the original PCN:

https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/

You need to he proactive and get the necessary forms sent off once the debt is registered - there's a limited no of days where the council must cancel the OFR - after that it is out of time and the council can reject it.


Thanks, that's the process I remember from before with a bus lane or some such in Dagenham.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: April 19, 2026, 06:09:31 pm »
Quote from: catnip on April 19, 2026, 06:05:32 pm
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on April 19, 2026, 04:52:50 pm

There are no images of the contravention - just the charge cert' shown here.


The Westminster website https://appeals.westminster.gov.uk has photos and a video.

Cheers, found them.... although it seems moot at this point as I am waiting for the OFR to then get it knocked back to getting the original PCN.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: April 19, 2026, 05:10:14 pm »
I am used to fighting private parking companies so this council stuff is all a bit new to me, but I did find a previous post of mine regarding a missed/late bus lane charge from Barking/Dagenham...

I had to wait for OFR to register at TEC - and use PE3 form or something.. i dont know if the same sort of rules apply with this box junction.  :-\

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / CHARGE CERTIFICATE - Westminster - Box Junction - Code 31 j
« on: April 19, 2026, 04:52:50 pm »


My issue with this is not so much the contravention on 11/11/2025 – but that this is the first I had heard of this. I received a letter (Charge Certificate) c. 16th/17th April (dated 13th April).
But have had no prior notice of this at all.


I did move house in November 2025 and I have already chased (DVLA) and had a letter from DVLA - back in January - that they messed up (lost) my address change on V5s. That aside, the first I hear about this should not be Charge Certificate where they have now upped things to £240.00

The location of the contravention is
Piccadilly - Dover/Arlington https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JiYFr561rsVzT2Z8

There are no images of the contravention - just the charge cert' shown here.








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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 17, 2024, 11:47:04 am »
Getting to a court with my work timings was proving problematic.

I did however manage to get it signed, witnessed and stamped at a solicitors.

PE3 then scanned and sent to TEC/Northampton via the email address supplied with the form.

I will also likely send the hard copy on via postal service.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 14, 2024, 10:01:55 pm »
Cheers all.....


I will attempt to speak to Magistrates Court near where I will be working and see if I can make appt to get this done...  failing that, worst case, I will use solicitors in the town there.

There are three tick boxes...  obviously my one is the first I DID NOT RECIEVE THE ENFORCEMENT NOTICE.

Then there is a box for handwritten input..

"My Reasons Are (give full reasons)"  -

is there any need to put anything in there. It seems self-explanatory, or are they really wanting a paragraph on the current sh1t state of the UK postal service and how if govt bodies want to be adding £140 onto penalty charges then they should be paying for Special Delivery   ;D

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 13, 2024, 09:58:29 am »
Quote from: Neil B on July 12, 2024, 12:49:05 pm
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 12, 2024, 07:26:49 am
Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?
Nothing at all. You only need to tick the appropriate box.

You will need to get the form sworn/witnessed, free at your local county court (by appointment)
or circa £8 at a solicitor.

Don't take too long, TEC have processing delays at the moment.

Does it need to be my local court as going by my address... ?
I am working away next week and can get to the court there, but wont be able to have it done at my local court.

Failing that suppose a solicitors will do then.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 12, 2024, 07:26:49 am »
Have had time to dig through my piles of 'inbox'....

I never received any initial notice in the mail - not down to change of address, or V5 not updated - just simply abysmal postal service.

1. 10th Jan dated - (received 18th) first I knew of this was Charge Certificate when it had been raised to £195. (attached)

This is when I opened this thread on this forum. 
General thrust of advice was to await for OFR and then file regarding never received the original notification.

2. 1st Feb - further letter from B&D Council prompting payment or warning of further action.

Still not OFR/not registered at traffic court so waiting game continues.

3. Week ago finally receive the OFR with forms PE2 and PE3

I do not live anywhere near the area, am not local and taking umpteen pics of inadequate signage and getting caught up in fighting this - frankly I don't have the time.  I have recently spent enough 'free' time doing paperwork and admin to fight a PPC with their ANPR double-dip bullsh!t... [I won, but cant be arsed with all that again].

I am happy enough here, in this instance, to get it reduced to the original amount as am damned if I should get penalised for what is now an appalling postal service.

Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?


ATTACHMENTS - both the original Charge Cert and follow letter not allowed to attach as upload folder is full.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 09, 2024, 09:31:49 pm »
Quote from: cp8759 on July 06, 2024, 06:31:42 pm
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on July 05, 2024, 08:56:33 pm
Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.
@Secret_Squirrel1970 you must now follow the instructions in this guide to get the matter re-set.

Is there a copy of the original PCN with the Order for Recovery?

I note you don't want to challenge the whole thing, but if we can find good grounds for doing so then you might as well.

Not with the OFR, no....

I did not ever receive an original PCN....  (sad to say, post here is absolutely woeful).

First I knew of it some months later was the charge certificate/letter which was now £195 - iirc.  This was around when I started nosing around asking on here as I knew there was a way of getting it reset

I then received a follow up letter a short time later.

The general reply/collective wisdom in line with what I was asking was that once I had received the OFR - now here - it was relatively simple to get it reset via the traffic court to the original fine on the PCN which I never received.

I will have both the charge cert/letters I received.  Just couldn't place my hands right on them at the moment.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: July 05, 2024, 08:56:33 pm »
I haven't been back in here nor seen the last few comments - as nothing had happened and life was very busy....

I will dig through and see what paperwork I have.. and re-do the initial letter I received but am not at home for a few days so wont be til then.

Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.

I would like to point out I am not seeking to challenge this whole thing, I am fine (no pun intended) paying the original £65 or whatever it was - am just damned if I am getting reamed for a further £140 merely because we have a shockingly bad postal service.

Anyhow, will get the original letters dug out when am back home on Sunday evening.


PS: - would like to mention that the private PCN matter I was dealing with via MSE forums (alluded to above) was sorted satisfactorily in the end. The PPC pulled out two weeks before court. A year long process and a lot of time and faff basically boiled down to who would blink first...

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: February 06, 2024, 08:59:04 pm »
Quote from: Neil B on January 24, 2024, 04:10:35 am
Quote from: Hippocrates on January 23, 2024, 10:17:54 pm
Take it easy and wait for the OFR.
+1
We don't need you panicking and doing something daft. You risk delaying debt registration or even really complicating matters.

and I did tell you how to set your mind at rest >
Quote from: Neil B on January 20, 2024, 07:15:57 pm
You won't be late so long as you keep abreast of debt registration;either by noting an increase in the pcn portal to £204 or by confirmation with TEC.


All good.    Thanks all.

Second letter from B&D received yesterday or today.  Still showing £195 but specifying I have 7 days to pay up at this point and deal direct with them before they send it to Northampton.

So still at waiting stage. 

[Meanwhile have to pop back over to MSE Forum where my private parking matter getting set for court - although they will more than likely pull out at the last minute].

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barking/Dagenham Charge Cert - PCN not received - 52M
« on: January 23, 2024, 09:34:42 pm »
Quote from: Secret_Squirrel1970 on January 20, 2024, 08:02:11 pm


So meanwhile its a waiting game... wait for the debt to be registered at TEC then file the relevant form(s) to have the clock/timer reset due to not receiving any PCN.

Just checking back in here...   

I have downloaded a PE3 - just wanting to check that I really cant do much else until the "debt" is entered at TEC - at which point I can use the PE3 from?

At least that is my understanding... ???

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