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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: shah123 on February 18, 2026, 01:00:18 pm
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Evidence pack https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yqIiby9ez6Xu1wtZUw3NavNPopxbe_09/view?usp=drivesdk
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Date of hearing, please?
The Evidence Pack should contain a 2-3 page summary of why the Counci believe the Adjudicator should dismiss the appeal, and also a list of contents. Post these two documents here and the experts can ask if they wish to see anything else.
(Only redact yr name & addresss from docs - leave all else in.)
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@Incandescent I can grant permission to view, if you wanted to review the evidence pack (not public as includes personal info)
the evidence pack refers to previous outcomes made:
2250374502 - the appellant did not make a case of the signage
2250472997 ( FR65871744) - appellant does not make a case of any issues
Both adjudicators state the signage is clear however as seen on GSW, there are no advance signs on the main road before turning, as a driver you should make the turn while clear, I would have only seen the sign during half turn, again there were pedestrians which I was watching and watching oncoming road potential traffic. If I compare to other adequate signage I would refer to authorities who put up signage on the main road and on the side road turning point itself. is this enough?
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Is it worth comparing other signs in other boroughs, like Redbridge they have sign on main road before these school or neighbourhood restrictions
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The authority has uploaded a pack. They reference a previous case which was appealed on similar grounds and adjudicator sided with them.
I’ll share the pack, does have details on will try obscure
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There is a cut-off day, which I think is 3 days before the hearing, but check with LT.
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@Incandescent thanks. also looks like they want all the information / evidence now. or should i copy snippets of the appeal I made and past it in the free text
add images of the road etc
these are basic questions, appreciate the guidance. have not completed process before and unsure if they allow opportunity to amend after
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Yes, contravention did not occur
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@Hippocrates Hi P - Is there any chance of a technical appeal here or I should focus on inadequate signage on the main road, sign only present on the road, clearly visible after turning
and "failure to consider" in the appeal response / rejection letter
@Incandescent do i select the option - contravention did not occur when appealing to London Tribunal
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@Incandescent understood
And I should always request in person to explain my points and opportunity to answer any queries
Yes, but attendance in person means a telephone or video hearing, not attendance at their offices. Never, ever, request a decision on the papers as these tend to be lost because there is no opportunity for the adjudicator to ask questions.
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@Incandescent understood
And I should always request in person to explain my points and opportunity to answer any queries
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If you now want to test the matter at London Tribunals you must now register an appeal with them. There is no need for your final appeal text to go in at that stage, you should just say "I rely on my formal representations to the council", (I'm assuming you mentioned the lack of advance warning and obscuration of the signs as per your photo). Of course you'll be risking the full PCN penalty, but that is all, there are no other costs or charges, and if you win, you pay nothing. From what I can see, the council have just stated what happened and haven't addressed any points you made in your reps, so you could emphasise this in your appeal, (it's called "failure to consider").
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@Incandescent i went back and can confirm there are no signs on the main road I was on before I made the right turn
Additionally the sign is obstructed slightly due to another sign on the main road and a tree
CCTV images also shows pedestrians
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FGKFzqso_tDETfS8LVNJ154DgEPZZf1k/view?usp=drivesdk
I think should take it to next step. Would be grateful with any assistance
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Basically, we need to know if there is an advance sign for the direction you approached to make the right turn. Their letter only mentions the actual restriction signs themselves. If there is a sign, then the discount is probably your best option unless Hippocrates suggests a 'technical' appeal based on PCN content and/or their webpages.
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on 18 March the appeal was rejected.
the letter does not consider there is absent signage on Higham Hill Road E17 (from direction I was travelling) but there is signage from opposite direction of travel for drivers looking ahead before making the turn.
link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BX1WiZAEgJN6hAH6cAPUm6k1oBhJwFY/view?usp=share_link
Is it worth me proceeding to appeals, on the basis there was no sign head on, lack of adequate signage. main argument is, council has put other signs opposite side for drivers driving head on HIghams Hill
@Hippocrates @Incandescent
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Thanks
Is there any evidence I need to prepare to counter the adequate claims?
or as first step just prepare an informal appeal explaining inadequate signage / as seen on evidence footage of pedestrians crossing that I had to be aware of
and with traffic pressure to make turning
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The signs are there on latest GSV view of October 2024, but are closed, either because the traffic order was not yet ready, or they close the signs out of school terms. If you look at your photos, you can see the line of the vertical hinge.
You turned right into the restriction. I see no advance warning signs present. Essentially, you have to prove the signage is "inadequate". Councils have a duty under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to place adequate signage to announce a restrition to motorists. Problem is this is subjective, your 'inadequate' is the council's 'adequate', so you can only get an independent view from a London Tribunals adjudicator, who will decide one way or the other.
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Location: 51°35'37.1"N 0°02'04.5"W / St Andrews Road E17 / Higham Hill Road E17
PCN: FR67860862
Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1H2X_6gh_MvaRA_F-tOs0dlAalFRH_UkP?usp=sharing
PCN on drive
I was driving on Higham Hill Road E17 (from Billet Road side) and turned right onto St Andrews Road E17.
I do not recall any signage, I will go back to check again. Google Maps does not show any signs facing me
although on the other side, travelling towards Billet Road on Higham Hill E17 and turning left, there are signs.
I have seen a few similar scenarios and PCN appeal drafts, is there anything I should consider?
@Hippocrates