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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: London_Calling on November 20, 2023, 05:49:44 pm

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: H C Andersen on November 22, 2023, 01:54:56 pm

What the video doesn't show is that from either direction there are displayed regulatory 'no right/left turn' signs(as opposed to advisory signs), so arguably you committed either of 2 contraventions. But you can only deal with the one in the PCN.

All you have is mitigation at this stage IMO.

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: cp8759 on November 22, 2023, 12:19:17 pm

Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDoDhq8S0A

It doesn't show you completing the U-turn, so we might have to use a variation of the link strategy that worked in Simandeep Johal v London Borough of Lewisham (2230428653, 04 November 2023) (https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1uO4vGI2oqMEn4AfG0PX8a90jO0Imon3E).

Is there any other meaningful mitigation, even if unrelated to the contravention, that you could mention in the representation? Don't make anything up, but if there is anything no matter how irrelevant please say so.

If not, I'll draft a representation for you over the next 2 or 3 days.

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: cp8759 on November 22, 2023, 12:09:38 pm

So here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZaAjfT4sfVvou3FfA

The traffic order is The Ealing and Hounslow (Fishers Lane) (No. 1) Traffic Order 2022 (https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1ep0YXerVhIoRzR8I3L7ZBpzfX9uNL9NG), I have requested the video as that is the key evidence.

It sounds like you might only have mitigation to put forward, but as long as you submit representations by 30 November the discount will be reoffered even if they reject, the video should only take a day or two to become available.

As a last resort we should be able to get a failure to consider in the notice of rejection, and we can appeal to the tribunal based on that.

Most of us work full time so you might have to wait a few days to get a response, but we always respond to every post.

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: Incandescent on November 21, 2023, 12:14:54 pm

Quote from: London_Calling on November 21, 2023, 11:44:48 am

Should I delete it and repost in Council?

No its here already.

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: London_Calling on November 21, 2023, 11:44:48 am

Should I delete it and repost in Council?

Title: Re: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: 666 on November 20, 2023, 05:52:33 pm

This should be in the council sub-forum. I've reported it to a mod.

Title: Fishers Lane W4: Did U-Turn just as I realised the road
Post by: London_Calling on November 20, 2023, 05:49:44 pm

I came off the roundabout from B409, as I was about to turn into Fisher's Lane I realised it was 'Access' only. I did a U-Turn around the yellow Island and avoided going down the road. Do I have a case here?

Letter:
(https://i.imgur.com/XbluWsL.jpeg)

Road
(https://i.imgur.com/ya3orkE.png)

UTurn
(https://i.imgur.com/kKVJbcn.png)

Do I have enough grounds to fight this? If I didn't go down the road and did an immediate UTurn?