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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: GA on February 07, 2026, 03:38:43 pm
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As we can't see anything to go on, apologising and asking for the discount may be best. Above you spoke of the tribunal but you're not at that stage.
As I said though if parking on the verge has been customary and not previously enforced then that is a reasonable ask.
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Look, I know I have to! The choice is between paying or making a representation. Given I would have to pay £70 anyway, I will make a representation...
It's quite possible they will re-offer the discount, although it is not guaranteed
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Look, I know I have to! The choice is between paying or making a representation. Given I would have to pay £70 anyway, I will make a representation...
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You have an NTO - you must pay or make representations to the council within deadline or you'll end up with a charge certificate and an extra £35.
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If you don't respond to the NtO it's game over.
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You have an NTO - you must pay or make representations to the council within deadline or you'll end up with a charge certificate and an extra £35.
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Hi, thanks a lot to all for the feedback above. Just to clarify (I wasn't very exhaustive, I suppose), the grace-period for the discount has expired and now I have to go to the traffic penalty tribunal; I suppose I should try anyway. I have to appeal by tomorrow.
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The Ipswich document you refer to is from 2009 and isn't relevant.
The contravention you have is for the yellow lines, which cover the entire width of the road accessible to the public.
Some councils have traffic orders and signage that ban verge parking but they don't need this where there are yellow lines.
Such footway/verge parking has been banned in London since the 1970s but councils outside London are being given such powers (Scotland has enacted a ban now).
If you and others have been parking there for some years you can try legitimate expectation for a first PCN.
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You have posted a partial NTO, not the PCN.
As it's incomplete, we can't see the date of issue and therefore calculate the last day of the 28-day period.
Pl post the PCN, both sides, the full NTO and the council's reply to your informal reps.
As your VRM is clearly visible in the photos, pl only obscure your personal details.
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From the GSV photo. I would think the property line is the scrubby hedge and trees. Of course, you can take them all the way to the Traffic Penalties Tribunal, to test the matter. To do this, you must forego the discount. In addition, you would have to wait for the Notice to Owner, and submit reps again and be refused before you can register an appeal with the tribunal.
Are you the Owner and holding the V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle, with name and address correct ?
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Hi there, thanks again. What you say makes surely sense. My original point, though, was that where I parked is not a Highway verge, technically, as Ipswich Counsel itself define a verge as the area between the carriageway and the pavement (and so do all the other documents I have found online) - am I completely wrong here?
The charge is "parking in a restricted street during prescribed hours". No mention of a verge, however defined, so it is completely irrelevant.
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Hi there, thanks again. What you say makes surely sense. My original point, though, was that where I parked is not a Highway verge, technically, as Ipswich Counsel itself define a verge as the area between the carriageway and the pavement (and so do all the other documents I have found online) - am I completely wrong here?
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But where is the private property boundary here?
Probably at the tree line. I think it reasonably obvious that you're on the road verge, not somebody else's grass.
Or to put it another way, if you think parking there is permitted, what additional steps do you think the highways authority would have to take to make parking on the verge illegal?
(I'll defer to others on whether there is something irregular about the PCN or otherwise which may save you, but I don't think "I wasn't on the road" is going to work here)
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I see, thanks. But where is the private property boundary here? I am also not sure I can exactly see what you meant on one of your previous posts, when you said the Verge is not relevant (sorry, I am just trying to understand).
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Looks like the verge to me. I don't see a likely defence.
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Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, that's correct. I tried to post some other pics of the road yesterday, but they do not seem to have been uploaded....
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I've had a look on GSV. Were you parked here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Birkfield+Dr,+Ipswich/@52.0485984,1.1369753,3a,90y,179.88h,79.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1selIrM6sO87q0WabzMIYUJA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.528729129153533%26panoid%3DelIrM6sO87q0WabzMIYUJA%26yaw%3D179.87923934712032!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x47d9a0441be3c6af:0xe7dc749facf49435!8m2!3d52.043781!4d1.1300546!16s%2Fg%2F1twyytmz?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)?
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Thanks for your reply. My point is that it is the Ipswich council itself that defines the verge as the grass between the carriageway and the pavement - that is not my case. Is that a verge, technically?
"Verge" is irrelevant, the double-yellow lines apply to the road, and a road is not just the carriageway, but the whole width the public have access to, up to the property line.
So please post us a GSV link to the exact location, so we can assess whether your were in contravention or not.
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Thanks for your reply. My point is that it is the Ipswich council itself that defines the verge as the grass between the carriageway and the pavement - that is not my case. Is that a verge, technically?
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Looks like a solid contravention. Yellow lines control the entire road including footways and verges not just the carriageway,
(https://i.ibb.co/FqKTC0F1/i1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GQcR8P01/i2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WvVkmnM1/i3.jpg)
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Hi, here is the PCN (I thought I had already....)
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/2NUUqjn_xl.jpg)
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You haven't posted the PCN.
What are the PCN number and vehicle VRM.
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These are the relevant pics and PCN:
(https://imgpile.com/p/WwiO4AT#syWRhLj)
(https://imgpile.com/p/WwiO4AT#cC3RMIP)
(https://imgpile.com/p/WwiO4AT#GBZZ2lA)
The following is the link to the Ipswich Counsuil document defining a verge (Page 3):
file:///C:/Users/gamor/Downloads/OS-08-28_Highway_Verges.pdf%23_~_text=Introduction.%201.1%20In%20this%20briefing%20paper%20%E2%80%9Cverge%E2%80%9D,road%20and%20the%20edge%20of%20the%20pavement..pdf
Another possibly useful document:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.milton-keynes.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2022-11/A4%20mini%20guide%20-%20verges%20and%20kerbs.pdf
I hope this is of some help.
Thanks!
G
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https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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"Read the read this first sticky for instructions." - Where is it? I cannot find it (sorry!).
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Read the read this first sticky for instructions.
You have a PCN for parking on a yellow line but we need to see the unredacted PCN.
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By the way, I forgot to mention that I intend to make a formal appeal (Representation), which is due by Friday, February 13th.
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Hi,
I received a parking ticket in Ipswich, in December. I parked on the grass behind the pavement (it was just a wooded area, no houses/building anywhere near on that side of the road). There were no signposts about parking restrictions. After finding the ticket, stating: "Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours", I decided to appeal informally (appeal rejected), based on the following grounds:
The car was parked on the grass without obstructing pedestrians using the pavement.
The grass I parked on is not a highway verge (even the Ipswich/Suffolk Council, in a document states that: "In this briefing paper “verge” means the area between the edge of the road and the edge of the pavement", which was not my case.
It is my understanding, from all the publicly available info/document, the double yellow lines, to be enforced must be adjacent to the grass where the vehicle is parked - I did park behind the pavement.
Could anyone provide some comments or advise on this?
Thanks a lot.
Gabriele
PS: I do not seem to be able to attach anything - it just asks me for an url....