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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: maxxxpayne on February 07, 2026, 02:58:06 pm
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Mail received but I need to on record and change to a Wednesday.
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Apologies, have emailed you. The hearing date has now been moved to April 2027!
PM sent but no response.
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PM sent but no response.
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This is what the relevant legislation has to say about a Notice of Rejection:
Where any representations are made under paragraph 1 above but the enforcing authority do not accept that a ground has been established, the notice served under sub-paragraph (7) of the said paragraph 1 (in this Schedule referred to as “the notice of rejection”) must—
(a)state that a charge certificate may be served under paragraph 5 below unless before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of the notice of rejection—
(i)the penalty charge is paid; or
(ii)the person on whom the notice is served appeals to a traffic adjudicator against the penalty charge; and
(b)describe in general terms the form and manner in which such an appeal must be made,
and may contain such other information as the enforcing authority consider appropriate.
Your Notice of Rejection mentions they may send a Charge Certificate "after 28 days". But it isn't specific as to when that 28 days runs from or to which it is required to be.
This wording follows a section where the 28 day period is more defined so could be construed to be ok taking the wider context into account. However even that other 28 day period isn't defined exactly in line with the legislation. Does 28 days "from" service include the day of service itself or not?
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Apologies for the delay. Councils evidence can be found here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link).
What are your grounds of appeal?
Signage. There's no way it were adequate or visible at point of entering the road.
You keep referring to driver
Apologies, used to appealing private tickets. In this case driver were my partner. I'm faithfully representing their experience here.
I'm aware of stopping rules, however my understanding is that it were a van driving in front, easy to concentrate on road ahead and miss the small sign.
Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
No, as stated above. Everything addressed to my partner.
UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Do you have the council's evidence?
What are your grounds of appeal?
You keep referring to driver, but this is owner liability therefore there is no point in concealing the driver's details. In fact the opposite can apply. If you were not the driver then you don't have any first-hand knowledge which IMO would severely weaken your case as regards the claim that the advance sign was obscured. I assume you know that 'large van/delivery vehicles' are not permitted to stop within the controlled area(zig-zags) which is where(and possibly why) this sign is sited. There are limited exceptions, but loading etc. is not one of them.
And if you weren't there anyway..then the adjudicator has the objective evidence of signage only. But maybe a procedural knight will ride to your rescue, hence Hippocrates' questions.
You're committed now anyway, so it's a case of making the most of what you've got.
Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
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Also can we see the entirety of the rejection letter? From another Haringey case I think there are some errors in their template which may be sufficient to win.
Apologies, here's the text of the rejection letter. The whole evidence file can be found at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uTp_j-5nk-ZxqmCQIukHbTU9ofX-VncE/view?usp=drive_link)
Notice of Rejection of Representations. Your case comes under the London Local Authorities
and Transport for London Act 2003
Penalty Charge Notice number:XXX
Date of contravention: 29 January 2026
Location: Barratt Avenue N22 (junction Park Avenue) (SS16)
Vehicle registration: XXX
Verification Code: 95C61A
Thank you for writing to us.
We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided not to cancel your Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN).
We sent you a PCN because our CCTV camera evidence shows your vehicle entering a pedestrian
zone when it was not allowed to. At this location there are two signs on either side of the road, these
signs comply with the relevant regulations. The red circle indicates a prohibition and is also illustrated
in the current edition of the Official Highway Code. These signs are reflective and clear for all
motorists to observe and comply with.
I have considered what you have explained in your representations, however I am satisfied on the
balance of probabilities that the signage relating to the restriction was substantially compliant with the
relevant regulations, clear and adequate. As you have shown in your evidence, there is a clear advance
warning sign on Park Avenue, which informs motorists of the pedestrian zone. You say that this sign
was obscured by another vehicle, however the sign is positioned at a height that would still make it
visible for all motorists to observe and comply with. This sign in conjunction with the statutory signs
make this restriction substantially clear. The onus therefore rests with the motorist to ensure that they
comply with all traffic signs.
After careful consideration of the circumstances and the evidence presented, I must inform you that
your representations have been on this occasion. I am satisfied that a contravention did occur and that
the Penalty Charge Notice was issued correctly.
You have these choices:
• You can pay the discount charge of £80.00. You have 14 days from the date of this letter being
served to do this.
• You can pay £160.00 if you miss the discount period. You have 28 days from the date of this
letter being served to do this.
• You can appeal to the Parking Adjudicator by following the instructions below using PIN
number 95C61A. You have 28 days from the date of this letter being served to do this.
The Adjudicator can ask one side to pay costs if he or she believes, for example, that they have been
wholly unreasonable. However, the Adjudicator rarely asks either side to pay costs. The
Adjudicator is independent and both sides must accept the Adjudicator's decision. If you lose
your appeal, you will have to pay the full charge rather than the discount charge (unless the
Adjudicator decides otherwise).
If you do nothing
If, after 28 days, you have taken no action, we may send you a Charge Certificate increasing the
charge from £160.00 to £240.00. You will then have 14 days to pay the increased charge. If, after the
14 days, you have not paid the increased charge, we may apply to the Traffic Enforcement Centre to
recover the money - plus court costs - from you.
How to pay:
• By internet: Go to http://www.haringey.gov.uk/payments and follow the online instructions.
• By telephone: At any time (Credit/Debit Cards only) on 0300 456 0520 - Please have your
credit/debit card and Penalty Charge Number to hand when you make the call.
• In person: Take your PCN and payment to Haringey Vehicle Pound, Unit 1, 1 Waltham Park
Way, London, E17 5DU between Monday to Saturday 7am to 10pm and Sunday 8am to 8pm.
Please ensure you obtain a receipt.
Yours sincerely
Mr C Knight
Parking Process Case Officer
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I have a hearing at 11.30 so I would need to change this one of yours. PM to be sent later.
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UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Do you have the council's evidence?
What are your grounds of appeal?
You keep referring to driver, but this is owner liability therefore there is no point in concealing the driver's details. In fact the opposite can apply. If you were not the driver then you don't have any first-hand knowledge which IMO would severely weaken your case as regards the claim that the advance sign was obscured. I assume you know that 'large van/delivery vehicles' are not permitted to stop within the controlled area(zig-zags) which is where(and possibly why) this sign is sited. There are limited exceptions, but loading etc. is not one of them.
And if you weren't there anyway..then the adjudicator has the objective evidence of signage only. But maybe a procedural knight will ride to your rescue, hence Hippocrates' questions.
You're committed now anyway, so it's a case of making the most of what you've got.
Can't access any previous posts, so to be clear: were you the driver and are the PCN and NOR addressed to you by name?
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Also can we see the entirety of the rejection letter? From another Haringey case I think there are some errors in their template which may be sufficient to win.
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Screenshot payments page and and any other status pages.
Sorry I don’t understand?
What does their website say re current payment re status.
http://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/observation-of-hearings/msg128777/#msg128777
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Screenshot payments page and and any other status pages.
Sorry I don’t understand?
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Screenshot payments page and and any other status pages.
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Ah, thank you. Unfortunately it was video shared o. WhatsApp without a link and I’m unsure of the origins. I’ll try to find out…
UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Any last moment advise?
I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the signing officer to attend and most often they don't when requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click bait video?
Unfortunately no, you can't. That particular facility applies only to cases under the London Local Authorities Act 1996 for bus lane contraventions. If you have a link to this video, it would be appreciated so we can see what shite there is around to confuse people.
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UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Any last moment advise?
I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the signing officer to attend and most often they don't when requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click bait video?
Unfortunately no, you can't. That particular facility applies only to cases under the London Local Authorities Act 1996 for bus lane contraventions. If you have a link to this video, it would be appreciated so we can see what shite there is around to confuse people.
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UPDATE: Hearing scheduled for 16th of this month.
Any last moment advise?
I saw some random video somewhere that says I can request the signing officer to attend and most often they don't when requested and you get an automatic win. I can't seem to find anything that actually verifies this, I assume it's just a click bait video?
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If it were me, I think I'd risk the extra money and take them to London Tribunals. Essentially, it is a typical Fob-Off letter. HOw do they know the advance sign is visible despite high-sided vehicles ? No, it's complete tosh.
Cheers. I’ll proceed accordingly then.
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If it were me, I think I'd risk the extra money and take them to London Tribunals. Essentially, it is a typical Fob-Off letter. HOw do they know the advance sign is visible despite high-sided vehicles ? No, it's complete tosh.
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UPDATE:
Slightly disappointed but not wholly surprised, Haringey Council has rejected my appeal. Here's their letter:
We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided not to cancel your Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN).
We sent you a PCN because our CCTV camera evidence shows your vehicle entering a pedestrian zone when it was not allowed to. At this location there are two signs on either side of the road, these signs comply with the relevant regulations.
The red circle indicates a prohibition and is also illustrated in the current edition of the Official Highway Code. These signs are reflective and clear for all motorists to observe and comply with.
I have considered what you have explained in your representations, however I am satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the signage relating to the restriction was substantially compliant with the relevant regulations, clear and adequate.
As you have shown in your evidence, there is a clear advance warning sign on Park Avenue, which informs motorists of the pedestrian zone. You say that this sign was obscured by another vehicle, however the sign is positioned at a height that would still make it visible for all motorists to observe and comply with.
This sign in conjunction with the statutory signs make this restriction substantially clear. The onus therefore rests with the motorist to ensure that they comply with all traffic signs.
I'm happy to take this case to the Environment and Traffic Adjudicators if members here think I have a good case.
Thanks!
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Excellent, thank you. I'll execute accordingly.
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OK, I see the advance sign that you say was obscured by a large van. The sign itself is ridiculously small too. However, the killer photo is this: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KXd1NfaQqBSbUa57A
The signs are so place as to be totally side-on until the turn is started and even then may not be visible from a vehicle. Obviously they are visible from their CCTV camera !! If those signs had been place further back by the end of the raised area, they would be more visible and harder to claim not seeable.
If it were me, I'd be taking them all the way. You must emphasise the placement of the signs, as well as mentioning the advance sign was obscured. If you had been turning right, you'd have a harder task convincing an adjudicator: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dGpQVrQcxx5na3Gq9
Contrast the two views, one a left turn approach and the other a right turn. Useful to show both to an adjudicator, I think.
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Hi Everyone,
We're trying to see if we should play out or not. Here's the PCN:
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/19/75/pkvbD3mZ_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/pkvbD3mZ)
The driver entered a school street on this occasion while the enforcement time was in place at 9:06 AM.
There's a road side sign on the nearside approximately 30 meters away, however on this occasion a large van/delivery vehicle partially obstructed the sign and the driver failed to see this. Worse, the signage on the entrance from near side is almost impossible to see as they are not angled or anything like that for the approaching vehicles, and the driver missed this too.
Once inside, even if the driver could tell, here would be now way to tell as the street is one way and backing out of the street was not an option either due to traffic on the road.
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/6a/3d/O1hFqcqZ_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/O1hFqcqZ)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/6d/a6/sAMpQjnP_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/sAMpQjnP)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/3e/24/0Ymng7yk_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/0Ymng7yk)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/3a/e0/lZmhiJti_t.png) (https://imgbox.com/lZmhiJti)
Finally a video of the contravention.
https://youtu.be/8Dq2AXhTK40