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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Nazma Yaqoob on November 20, 2023, 01:31:40 pm
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Hi, I received a pentaly notice for entering the LTN at chobham road driving from leytonestone road. I too was following my sat nav and didnt see the restriction sign. Ive appeealed but this was rejected. Would apprecite it if somebody could kindly advise what grounds I could appeal at tribunal. Was wondering what grounds nazma yaqoob used and if I could appeal on the same grounds as our reasons for entering the LTN are almost identical. PCN PN7563311A
Please start your own thread, and also read this when entering the information: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Hi, I received a pentaly notice for entering the LTN at chobham road driving from leytonestone road. I too was following my sat nav and didnt see the restriction sign. Ive appeealed but this was rejected. Would apprecite it if somebody could kindly advise what grounds I could appeal at tribunal. Was wondering what grounds nazma yaqoob used and if I could appeal on the same grounds as our reasons for entering the LTN are almost identical. PCN PN7563311A
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Its always an absolute pleasure to see the council being handed their backsides by the wizard. I think the op owes cp a large drink at the very least!
We all do.
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Its always an absolute pleasure to see the council being handed their backsides by the wizard. I think the op owes cp a large drink at the very least!
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Another rabbit pulled out of the hat. Well done both.
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Outcome (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DNftA8YEyxA9PRQNbmSeFwIPMkXxXY78/view).
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Hi
I decided I would like to go ahead and have this challenge. Pleas kindly assist.
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The funeral directors should set up a toll booth: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uheegmAooBrmLqLG7
There is an argument to be made about the signage: the traffic order says the restriction is between "a point 8.1 metres west of the western kerb-line of Leytonstone Road and a point 10.2 metres west of that kerb-line", but they're not:
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Arguably if the signs were where they're meant to be, the motorist would have more time to take them in, and also more space to turn around. Putting the signs in the wrong place means they're not compliant with the regulations, we've had decisions allowed on this point before, see Michael Dempsey v London Borough of Enfield (2230348292, 26 August 2023) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gm5wYAaOUAoy98tzestBeUbQZq4M-dka).
I would say your chances of success are more than 50%, but not by a million miles, so you need to decide whether you want to carry on.
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1. Advanced warning signage?
2. Quite a lot of signage to take in.
3. We do not cancel for the reasons given! This implies they are not considering on a case by case basis.
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Hi
I did make the plea as you suggested and now received LA's response with them sympathetic but no cancellation can you please advise on best next step to take.
please see the attached response.
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@Nazma Yaqoob the traffic order is The Newham (Prescribed Routes) (No. 1) Traffic Order 2022 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LNCM9kTmN0HUhdC3dmfKnvL96KYKnflH), did you make a plea for discretion as I suggested?
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Can't argue with the adequacy of the signage here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tec8yzk8awE
Make a plea for discretion and in the meantime I'll get the traffic order.
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Wow, I'm now on your third PCN thread for a single journey in London ! It seems very clear you are totally unaware of the meaning of the "Flying Motorbike" sign.
Here is what you passed:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KkxVjg7WisxvQNjt9
Again, there seem to be no advance warning signs, thus making it dangerous to start the turn, stop, and then somehow back-out. Very poor signing, in my opinion, but they get away with it because 99% of people just cough-up, not wanting to risk the extra £65 at London Tribunals.
I think you need to cease using your satnav !
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I was using my navigation device maps that took me through the road in concern. New to the area and as following direction. There was other cars in access either parked or driving through. PCN arrived in post can this be challenged.
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