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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Marzia on February 04, 2026, 02:36:14 pm
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Dear Sir/Madam, I make representations on the following grounds: The contravention did not occur.
1. As the Authority will see from their evidence (pictures and Video), there were no signs to indicate the 29/11/2025 was an event day. The council states that there are digital warning signs on the main routes into the event zone, however none were noted on my route; furthermore ‘digital warning signs’ are not part of the statutory signage, motorists are under a duty to obey traffic signs, as listed in the TSRGD
2. The Council suggests motorists have a responsibility to check the Wembley Stadium website to check for event dates, however this is not correct. Drivers have the duty to adhere to statutory signage and obey to statutory signs, not check websites.
3. A PCN must state this:
(e)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an enforcement notice may be served by the council on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;
However, you confuse the issue by stating this correctly and then stating you WILL send one. Also, the initial letter of rejection corroborates this latter error. So, this is akin to a procedural impropriety.
4. The Enforcement Notice conflates service with delivery. The two are not necessarily the same and so this is also akin to a procedural error.
5. The video shows no advance warning signage allegedly passed.
In light of the above please cancel the PCN and EN.
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Hi H, thank you very much for this. I shall wait for the next bit before i formulate a response with the amendments. thank you very much
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Issue 1.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/4/enacted
(3)A penalty charge notice under this Part of this Act must state—
(a)the grounds on which the council believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;
(b)the amount of the penalty charge which is payable;
(c)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(d)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified proportion;
(e)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an enforcement notice may be served by the council on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;
They confuse the issue by stating this correctly and then stating they WILL send one.
Issue 2.
Initial letter of rejection corroborates this latter error.
Issue 3.
EN conflates service with delivery. Deemed date of service is 10th March so we count day 1 from then. 6th April.
Back later re the video and signage - or lack of rather.
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Good evening,
please see below my intended response to the EN, I would be grateful for any feedback before i send off:
Dear Sir/Madam, I make representations on the following grounds: The contravention did not occur.
1. As the Authority will see from their evidence (pictures and Video), there were no signs to indicate the 29/11/2025 was an event day. The council states that there are digital warning signs on the main routes into the event zone, however none were noted on my route; furthermore ‘digital warning signs’ are not part of the statutory signage, motorists are under a duty to obey traffic signs, as listed in the TSRGD
2. The Council suggests motorists have a responsibility to check the Wembley Stadium website to check for event dates, however this is not correct. Drivers have the duty to adhere to statutory signage and obey to statutory signs, not check websites.
For completion I request for the council to supply a copy of the camera certification.
As per the Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities Act 1996 Admissability of certain evidence 7 (6), I insist attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.
NO! I will take a look later.
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Please hold fire and don't send any of your proposed draft. PM sent.
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That looks ok to me. They are likely to reject whatever you say, but that unlocks the next stage is where an independent adjudicator will actually pay attention to what you wrote instead of fobbing you off.
If you wanted to go a little harder you might add this:
3. I am shocked by your insistance that a motorist should access a website when they see your signage, as doing so would constitute an offence under section 2 110. (1)(a) of the The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2003. If you continue to assett that motorists "can check the Wembley event dates on the Wembley Stadium website" in your response, I require you to explain what exemption to the law allows this. I remind you that the Regulation also states:
(2) No person shall cause or permit any other person to drive a motor vehicle on a road while that other person is using—
(a) a hand-held mobile telephone...
If you do not accept that you are wrong about this, I reserve the rght to do exactly as you say and report that I have done so to the Police stating that you are the person who has permitted it.
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Hello,
i have only 1 more week to reply, I will be travelling for work from Sunday so i would need to send in my representation by tomorrow ideally. COuld someone please offer advise if the above response/representation from me is sufficient and comprehensive?
any advise would be welcomed. thank you
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Good evening,
please see below my intended response to the EN, I would be grateful for any feedback before i send off:
Dear Sir/Madam, I make representations on the following grounds: The contravention did not occur.
1. As the Authority will see from their evidence (pictures and Video), there were no signs to indicate the 29/11/2025 was an event day. The council states that there are digital warning signs on the main routes into the event zone, however none were noted on my route; furthermore ‘digital warning signs’ are not part of the statutory signage, motorists are under a duty to obey traffic signs, as listed in the TSRGD
2. The Council suggests motorists have a responsibility to check the Wembley Stadium website to check for event dates, however this is not correct. Drivers have the duty to adhere to statutory signage and obey to statutory signs, not check websites.
For completion I request for the council to supply a copy of the camera certification.
As per the Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities Act 1996 Admissability of certain evidence 7 (6), I insist attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.
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Morning all,
please see my intended response to the EN:
Dear Sir/Madam, I make representations on the following grounds: The contravention did not occur.
1. As the Authority will see from their evidence (pictures and Video), there were no signs to indicate the 29/11/2025 was an event day. The council states that there are digital warning signs on the main routes into the event zone, however none were noted on my route; furthermore ‘digital warning signs’ are not part of the statutory signage, motorists are under a duty to obey traffic signs, as listed in the TSRGD
2. The Council suggests motorists have a responsibility to check the Wembley Stadium website to check for event dates, however this is not correct. Drivers have the duty to adhere to statutory signage and obey to statutory signs, not check websites.
I would be grateful for any advise - thank you!
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Thank you. Yes that’s the thing I can’t recon with, how are drivers supposed to know about event days ahead of time.
What do you mean i can insist that the person who signed the video record attends the hearing? Do you mean the person who took the video? How does that help? I will draft the response tomorrow and post here for advise.
Much appreciated
Look at Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities Act 1996 Admissability of certain evidence 7(6)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted
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Thank you. Yes that’s the thing I can’t recon with, how are drivers supposed to know about event days ahead of time.
What do you mean i can insist that the person who signed the video record attends the hearing? Do you mean the person who took the video? How does that help? I will draft the response tomorrow and post here for advise.
Much appreciated
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This is an absolutely absurd restriction for moving traffic. Somebody could be in his way home from France to Scotland and would have no idea whatever about "event days".
Actually they damn themselves in their reply, by saying you must go and look on their website, and also, as 'Stamfordman' points out, look out for a sign giving the dates when this is not a traffic sign. Motorists are under a duty to obey traffic signs, as listed in the TSRGD, and nothing else. If they wanted to show Event times for the bus lane, then the actual bus lane signs should show them, but again, this would not be a traffic sign.
Your case really needs to be taken to London Tribunals where I'm sure you will win, not least because you can insist that the person who signed the video record attends the hearing. They never do.
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Please edit your post to redact yr name & address .
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Hello, I have today received the 'Enforcement Notice'. I have to now send in my representation. I intend to say that i had no way to know it was an event day as there were no posts anywhere to advise of it. The council in their previous letter say that it is the driver's responsibility to know ahead of driving and check the Wembley website, but i didnt know i would enter an event day, it is impossible for the drivers to know ahead of time unless you live in the area and know to check.
I would welcome any advise before i send in my response.
please see attached the EN
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thank you. what do you mean by 'lack of camera authorisation?'
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Most London bus lanes PCNs can be challenged on lack of camera authorisation - our member Hippo knows about this.
I can't see how they can enforce this anyway - how can they refer to 'digital warning signs' that are not part of the statutory signage.
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if these images do not show, could someone please advice how else I can upload images please?
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Oh! apologies, it shows perfectly at my end. I uploaded links from imgpile. let me see if i can upload another way
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Whatever you posted in your last post does not display.
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Please see below the letters received from brent.
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Welcome to FTLA.
For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
and post up here copies (not transcripts) of
all sides of the PCN,
your reps,
their response and any other correspondence to/from council,
any council photos/video,
and
a GSV link to the location.
Only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else in.
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The hours of operation for this bus lane are Mon-Sat 7-10am and 4-7pm and on event days 7am till Midnight. I drove on the bus lane on a saturday at 12:17pm. There were no signs to say it was an event day. On the PCN video and pictures also it does not show any signs on either side of the road. I can't understand how a driver is supposed to know when it is an event day. The council has responded that there are digital warning signs on the main routes into the event day Zone and Motorists can check dates on the wembley stadium website. Firstly i didn't see any such digital sings, secondly i was coming from Barnet and chose my route home as I was driving. Do they expect the drivers to stop and go online on the website to check for the events?
As they have rejected my appeal, can anyone suggest if i should challenge as I strongly feel this PCN is wrong.