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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: lumphallway786 on January 29, 2026, 04:22:17 pm
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@MrChips I would say that area of Prince George Ave get very congested with heavy traffic (as can be seen in the still posted by the OP) it would be very easy to miss those signs until you are committed to the turn between constant oncoming traffic.
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Drove past yesterday and couldn't spot a warning sign - but, especially if turning right, I'd suggest the council will say the signs are positioned so that they are visible prior to completing the turn. Not my area of expertise, so see what others say.
However, you can argue against the non-compliant wording in the PCN - see this other Enfield case...
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-31j-entering-and-stopping-in-a-box-junction-when-prohibited-southbury-rdeato/
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Hi all, thanks for your help so far.
I am not too familiar with the area but I believe we were approaching from Oakwood, I turned right onto Oakwood Crescent.
I have uploaded the PCN, video and pictures from the PCN into this folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11N0Bx3pk_mPbarRvPPxcc0c_6DZ1l_PR?usp=sharing
I have also taken two photographs showing:
1) the only signs before the turn are a 'Traffic Enforcement Cameras' sign on the right, and a School sign and Humped Crossing sign on the left. No sign warning of a restricted entry road coming up.
2) the tree right in the way of the view of the road we turned into obscuring the signs.
The video clearly shows us stopping immediately after entering the road, and it is clear from the car's road position that I opened the door to get out to look at the sign rather than to park the car, which is what we believe they are trying to show by cutting the video where they did.
The picture of the numberplate is also from the front of the car so it is clear that we have turned around to not use the road.
The fact that the house on the corner and the junction has been blurred on GSV and the fact that GSV is fairly up to date 50 yards either side of the junction suggests the council may have requested GSV to restrict the view as well, but I may just be overly cynical at this point.
Thanks again for the help!
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Also, please share the PCN as I believe Enfield's template contains a flaw which means it isn't compliant with the legislative framework.
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I live round the corner from here so can check for you if needed.
I'm pretty sure there are warning signs but can't be 100%=- were you approaching from the West (Oakwood) or East (Green Dragon Lane)?
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Since I didn't actually drive down the road and turned around as soon as I realised I am hopeful that one of you wonderful people can help me successfully appeal the case.
Well, hopefully !! Your problem is you actually drove past the signs. Such is the venality and rapacity of London councils, that they will refuse any representations you submit to them, and at the same time re-offering the discount to encourage you to cough-up. So to fight this you need a very robust appeal case that will win at London Tribunals, because there is no discount if you lose there.
Problem is that GSV is way out-of-date at 2009. If you live locally we need to know if there are any advance warning signs. We also need to see the PCN, all sides, so please post it, and only redact your name and address. There is a video we can view too.
In addition to the above, if you are willing to take them all the way to London Tribunals there may be a 'technical' appeal based on their mismanagement of the enforcement process. Such appeals have now won several times, and have nothing to do with the alleged contravention. So you may well ask why the councils don't up their game so such appeals fail. The sad answer is that they make so much Wonga from people who just cough-up straightaway, (like >95%), that they can afford to lose a few cases. It's water off a ducks back for them.
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Good afternoon all,
Today I have received a PCN for turning into Oakwood Crescent from Prince George Avenue N21.
Google maps link (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Prince+George+Ave+%26+Oakwood+Cres,+London+N21+1PE/@51.643783,-0.116254,3a,75y,145.57h,106.63t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sZNaVVMGx3vmbZ7OfRunPcA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-16.628726484413065%26panoid%3DZNaVVMGx3vmbZ7OfRunPcA%26yaw%3D145.57042974605082!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i43!4m6!3m5!1s0x487618dfb36ee565:0xddd5e5cd1ce51fda!8m2!3d51.6437677!4d-0.1160637!16s%2Fg%2F11h9xhbgx0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDEyNi4wIKXMDSoKLDEwMDc5MjA3M0gBUAM%3D)
There was no warning that the road was restricted at that time until you actually turn onto the road. I immediately stopped and got out to check the signage, saw the restriction, turned the car around and left the road.
The evidence on the council site rather specifically cuts the video evidence at the point where I open the door to get out to check the signage - totally removing the part where I get back in to turn around and go back the way I came.
The street view images aren't up to date and are missing for the parts of the junction that are relevant, so I will attempt to get photos. I will also upload photos of the PCN when I can but it looks to be a pretty standard letter.
Here is one of the photos from the PCN which shows the signage and the distance I travelled into the road.
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/E4VIsxR_xl.jpeg)
Imgpile Link (https://imgpile.com/p/a1KaVPH)
Since I didn't actually drive down the road and turned around as soon as I realised I am hopeful that one of you wonderful people can help me successfully appeal the case.