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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Shino on January 28, 2026, 10:19:50 pm
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Rejection of challenge date 28th.Jan, so date of service 30th and discount period now expired.
Reply #17 on: February 22, 2026, 07:04:21 pm »
Good evening everyone,
Your help and suggestions rae highly appreciated.
I have received a NOTICE TO OWNER in post.
Please post the NtO, redacting only your own name & address. What is the date of the NtO?
Have you used Stamfordman's draft reps (Reply#26 above) ?
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I wrote representations for you above.
Unless anyone has anything better I would send that according to method specified in the NTO (what is the date of the NTO).
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Thanks for the help and reply. I thought I posted the complete letter, but if i missed something , i am posting it again. your help and suggestions are highly appreciated.
Your latest links (above) lead to images where the top of page 1 and the bottom of page 2 are cropped out.
Please supply the date of this letter for, as I indicated earlier (Reply#24 above) and as is mentioned in the letter, The whole enforcement process is governed by dates and ensuing deadlines.
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Thanks for the help and reply. I thought I posted the complete letter, but if i missed something , i am posting it again. your help and suggestions are highly appreciated.
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Dear Newham,
I apologise if my initial challenge wasn't sufficiently clear but the contravention did not occur as I was entitled to rely on the timeplate for the single yellow line that is on a post near to the line.
The timeplate restricts the yellow line to 7am-7pm Monday to Saturday - as this was a Sunday, the contravention could not have occurred.
I attach a picture of the timeplate.
I also refer you to London Tribunals case 2160040109, in which the adjudicator noted similarly that "the appellant quite reasonably concluded that the yellow line where he was parked was governed by the nearby yellow plate".
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation.
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So the OP was parked in exactly the same place (outside 2b) as in the allowed appeal from 2016 quoted by Stamfordman?
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You are still only showing cut-down versions of the rejection. For example, on the 1st page the name of the suithority, the name of the governing Act, and of the utmost importance, the date of the letter, are all missing. (The whole enforcement process is governed by dates and ensuing deadlines.)
Quite often on here cases are successfully appealed because of errors in the 'small print'.
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Please repost so that all sides of the entire document can be seen redacting only yr name and address.
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YOu don't seem to have posted their rejection of your informal challenge, so please do so, so we can work out what you need to say in your formal reps against the NtO.
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Good evening everyone,
Your help and suggestions rae highly appreciated.
I have received a NOTICE TO OWNER in post.
I need your help in writing formal representation.
Please help. I will be awaiting for help and guidance.
kindest Regards
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No need to complicate this. Single yellows in a CPZ are controlled by zone entry signs, unless they have their own timeplate.
Here there is one very near the line that is more than enough to mislead.
One case from a few years ago but I expect it's pretty much the same.
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Case reference 2160040109
Appellant xxxxxx
Authority London Borough of Newham
VRM EY64MVS
PCN Details
PCN PN12696465
Contravention date 24 Sep 2015
Contravention time 20:44:00
Contravention location Tennyson Road
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked in a restricted street
Referral date -
Decision Date 01 Mar 2016
Adjudicator Gerald Styles
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons I heard from the appellant when he attended on 1 March.
Although there are special arrangements in relation to the event days in the locality the appellant was entitled when parking to rely on the yellow plate posted probably some 5 yards away from where his car was at the time of ticketing on single yellow line.
I have looked closely at Google Streetview with him and studied his photographs and his case is a strong one. I have thought perhaps that the patrolling officer inadvertently missed seeing the sign which encouraged the appellant to park where recorded.
I have allowed the appeal on the basis that the appellant quite reasonably concluded that the yellow line where he was parked was governed by the nearby yellow plate which simply stated 7am-7pm. When ticketed it was after 7pm and although it was a match day the yellow signage as photographed by the appellant did notify parking was permissible when the appellant parked outside the white door of 2B.
It has always been the case that in regulated zones nearby yellow plates override the zone hours. These yellow plates may indicate greater or lesser restrictions than that the zone ones, effectively they take precedence.
For these reasons the Council evidence has not persuaded me any contravention occurred.
I have thus recorded the appeal as allowed.
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But it does not "seem to apply here"! The T-bar at the end of the double yellow lines is where the restriction written on the sign ends. The fact that there is something ridiculous written on the sign does not overrule the meaning of the T-bar.
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As per stamfordman, the relevant part of the definition of a CPZ is:
an area:
in which every part of every road is subject to a prohibition indicated by single or double yellow lines or single or double yellow kerb markings (except where parking spaces have been provided, where entrance to or exit from the road is made, where there is a prohibition or restriction on waiting, stopping, loading or unloading indicated by a different sign or where there is a crossing....
'except where....there is a prohibition on waiting....indicated by a different sign..'.
Which seems to apply here.
An intra-zone yellow sign takes priority and IMO the CPZ sign must be read as:
No waiting on single yellow lines on event days between ** and ** except for those SYL 'indicated by a different sign'.
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No it's not a red herring. It's a single yellow line timeplate as it cannot apply to a double yellow and is a few feet away.
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I think the Tennyson road sign is a red herring, the Council haven't brought it up and it doesn't apply to the location where the OP parked because there's a termination bar showing the end of the area it applies to. It may well be a daft/wrong sign, but it's not relevant to this case.
I think a more promising angle is the council's failure to consider and lack of applicable evidence. The rejection contains irrelevant stuff about bays (the OP wasn't in a bay) and makes a claim that "details of event days are displayed on the entry signs to the controlled parking zone", which is unlikely to be true. I'd fight on, making it clear that you require proof that the controlled parking zone sign you passed when entering the zone (is this the huge one in Stamfordman's image?) did have "details of event days" on it when you passed it. I think the Council are unlikely to be able to prove this.
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Looking at the huge sign in stamfordman's picture, how on earth is anyone supposed to glean any useful information from it while driving along? The recommendation in TSRGD is for a maximum of seven words on information signs. This is another case of too much information.
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The next step is a notice to owner from Newham, which they must send to the registered keeper, so check your logbook is correct if you are the keeper/owner.
Post your pic of the sign.
And when you get the NTO, update this case and I will help you write formal representations which hopefully will prevent this going to the tribunal.
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Whilst you don't now have to attend their premises for a hearing, they continue to operate by phone or video (MS Teams, I think). We always recommend OPs opt for a hearing and never on the papers, because being there, (virtually, of course !), means you can answer any questions the adjudicator may ask.
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Thank you very much for taking the time out to look into my problem and your insight in this matter is highly appreciated.
I know I am right, this was the signage on that specific day and its rules apply to that single yellow line where its erected as on a double yellow,no paring is allowed 24/7.
I want to take them to London Tribunal .
I have the pic of the day the sign was there and they dont have the evidence as in my PCN evidence pictured.
I dont know what to write in my case, as usually the tribunal doesnt ask any one to physically come to court, they just look at the file, written evidence etc and decide.
please help me and guide me what to writ to court?
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OK I'm with this now - if this sign was there then it can only apply to the single yellow as double yellows are 24/7.
Did you take a picture of it - Maps is Sept 2025 so recent but it would help if you have proof it is there.
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What I don't understand at the moment is what yellow lines this sign applies to, because it is adjacent to the double-yellow lines not the single yellow. Assuming it applies to the single yellow line, then in my view you are entitled to rely on the sign even if the location is within a CPZ. If the restrictions of the CPZ apply the sign should not be there. Essentially, in a case like this one has to look at the TRO. I suspect this sign should have been removed when they set up the CPZ but never got round to it.
If it were me I'd take them to London Tribunals, but of course it's your money; there is no discount option if you go all the way with this.
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i need help please
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For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
and post up here copies (not transcripts) of
both sides of the unredacted PCN,
your challenge,
their response,
and
any council photos/video.
Only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else in.
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Thanks for the reply. But if you look at the sign on the link I inserted there is no mention that the event day rules will apply to this specific sign areas as well. Since parking restriction on single yellow is for specific days/time, with sunday being exempted from those rules Moreover if its mention on signage that event days rules are different why the same message is not displayed on this signage. I need help.
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It's an a controlled parking zone so single yellow lines are restricted according to zone entry signs.
There is some success with Newham at the tribunal. I'm of the view that their signs are defective as they don't qualify that events days can be Sundays. This applies especially to parking bays with their own signs. The zone signs have next event dates but how you're supposed to note this on a busy road in what is often a large zone is an issue, and the zone signs also don't mention Sundays.
These are the signs you will have passed.
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I drove from A118 Romford road and entered Tennyson road. At the start of road, On my right hand at the start of road is a sign with parking restriction No parking Mon-sat 7am-7pm(I parked on a single yellow line.) Since I was parked there on Sunday 11 Jan 2026, my understanding was that no parking restriction apply. I received a PCN by warden( contravention code 01)
I appealed to Newham council and today it was rejected stating that it was an event day West ham Utd vs Queen Park Rangers at London stadium and event rules apply.
There was no advertisement for event day, secondly I have no interest in such an event, so how will I know there is an event. Lastly there is a residential parking bay with restrictions and clear instruction about event day parking rules. The signage for single yellow line does not provide any instructions that the event days rules will apply on single yellow as well.
I don't agree with their decision, and I am advised to either pay reduced price of £80 in 14 days or go to london tribunal if disagree.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/vdYQLTMLiqCy3yfz9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vdYQLTMLiqCy3yfz9)
any insight in this topic will be much appreciated