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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: LeedsStation on January 27, 2026, 10:05:36 am
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It can also be argued that the signage is in conflict with the road markings - namely the double yellow lines which in this instance would allow a brief stop. No stopping requires double red lines and clear way signage to be compliant.
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It would be helpful if you are able to acquire your own photos so that you are not reliant on Google Street View in any subsequent court defence (if one is needed). In particular, photos around the area in which the vehicle stopped, as the Google Street View images from that area are from 2024 before UKCPS were operating there.
However, from what we have seen, my suspicion below was correct.
There's a fair chance the signage also does not communicate a valid contractual offer.
What consideration is being offered by a sign that says "NO STOPPING" and "£100 charge if you stop" - they aren't communicating an offer to park on certain terms. They're prohibiting stopping and seeking to levy an unlawful penalty for doing so.
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I have added pictures of signage locations etc for clarity (see original post as edited).
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By engaging with them you would be showing being reasonable.
otherwise if it goes to a court case they could say you had been unreasonable.
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Apologies and appreciate the reply.
To clarify -
The vehicle had not stalled. It was mentioned above to really consider what is a reasonable time to be stationary in a high traffic area. It is irrelevant.
The overtaking was mentioned as if the car subject to the notice had continued then this may have caused a collision (generally when cars are overtaking drivers allow them to pass though they are not obliged to).
The vehicle had picked up passengers walking up the road from the station (this has not been captured in the evidence provided so far). Is this a reasonable use of the yellow lines? Is no stopping red lines?
The taxi was blocking the road and preventing the exiting of the road as it was turning into the pick up point which was totally full. I mention this as what is a reasonable distance for a vehicle to wait away from a preceding vehicle until the roadway is clear? The driver did eventually pull up behind the taxi and waited in the roadway for the carriageway to clear before being able to exit the area. Is there much of a difference between waiting where photographed and waiting within 8 feet of the taxi? The reason for not moving the vehicle out of the area remains the same.
If you google image "parking signage leeds station" then the signage can be viewed. It is unclear where the signage is and to which areas it applies (it may be presumed to apply only to the pick up / taxi point).
Appreciate response must be truthful - the OP was worded as such as many of the posts on similar forums are cagey in identifying the driver etc and looking to explore what is likely to be reasonably considered in this case.
£60 for a 20 second stop seems obviously unreasonable.
Is there any advice please on the above and whether I go through the appeals process? MSE seems to suggest ignoring all correspondence until you receive a claim.
Again, appreciate the help and apologies again for the evasive initial post.
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As a general rule, this forum applies potential defences to the facts, we don't try and think of potential facts that might suit a defence. You mention a potential stall, but it isn't clear whether the vehicle did actually stall, or whether you simply think this would make a more convincing defence (as an aside, it's not immediately clear how a vehicle overtaking might cause a stationary car to stall). You should also consider that the still images are potentially taken from a video, the full version of which may be at UKCPS' disposal. Consider what this may or may not show.
As this may proceed to court action, any argument you advance must be truthful.
It appears based on the evidence that there is only 20 seconds between Photos 1 and 3, used to suggest that the vehicle was parked.
This is, I would suggest, one of the strongest points in your favour. The argument would be that a stop of 20 seconds is insufficient for the driver to read and properly consider any communicated terms.
Are the signs in this area sufficiently clear to clarify which areas are subject to which rules?
You should find this out by getting some pictures. This is likely to also be a fruitful avenue of defence. There's a fair chance the signage also does not communicate a valid contractual offer.
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EDIT:
Images showing location of signs. None viewable from the vehicle. Signs at entrance, slightly confusing signs at pick up point:
Sign 1 (https://ibb.co/hx9D69R4)
Sign 2 (https://ibb.co/G3xnvnBb)
Sign 3 (https://ibb.co/yFCVzKqF)
Hello,
I have received a NTK (PoFA) issued on private land (Leeds City Station, LS1 4DY) on 26 January 2026.
The charge date is 16 January 2026.
Front of Letter (https://ibb.co/HTL5hmSC)
Back of Letter (https://ibb.co/whfRvLxZ)
Photos on UKCPS website:
Photo 1 (https://ibb.co/JFp3xcZF)
Photo 2 (https://ibb.co/zWB6VNyB)
Photo 3 (https://ibb.co/KcCnxdmG)
Please could you advise how best for me to respond as I am aware that this land is now relevant for the purposes of PoFA since 26 December 2025.
Points to potentially consider:
- It appears based on the evidence that there is only 20 seconds between Photos 1 and 3, used to suggest that the vehicle was parked.
- The vehicle subject to the notice is being overtaken at the time of Photo 1 and is prevented from continuing (this may have caused a stall?).
- There are pedestrians in the road in front of the vehicle subject to the notice in the second picture (following the potential stall?).
- It is unclear in the second picture whether the taxi in front of the vehicle subject to the notice has pulled out from the road to the right and has caused the vehicle subject to the notice to wait for the road to clear.
- The taxi in Photo 3 is clearly blocking the carriageway preventing further movement of vehicles behind it. It is blocking the road as it waits to turn into the pick up area. The vehicle subject to the notice may not move forward and block the road to its left.
- It is not clear from the photos whether the vehicle subject to the notice picked up any passengers from the station. If it had done so, it appears there may be some defence as in the UK, you can usually stop briefly on double yellow lines to pick up or drop off passengers but only if there are no additional signs or kerb markings (like yellow chevrons) prohibiting it and one must not cause an obstruction or wait for a long time. Are the signs in this area sufficiently clear to clarify which areas are subject to which rules?
Grateful for any help you can give.