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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: ReflectoR on January 24, 2026, 07:53:48 pm

Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: tincombe on February 06, 2026, 06:53:48 pm
OP, you're too relaxed IMO.

The NTO was received, but when we don't know.

Your wife had 28 days in which to make reps, after which a Charge Cert could be served.

But you made reps, but when we don't know.

But we do know they replied on 26 Jan. Authorities aren't noted for their response times therefore for all we know the 28 days have expired and your wife's reps would be disregarded and the penalty increased by 50% and a Charge Cert is on its way.

What is the date of the NTO.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on February 06, 2026, 02:08:08 pm
@RichardW okay, thank you.

Unfortunately I can't find the original pcn, but will post nto when I get home.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: RichardW on February 02, 2026, 05:16:56 pm
Seems over complicated... just submit as your wife.  If it then goes to tribunal someone else can represent her - often happens on here that one of the regulars picks up at tribunal stage.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: tincombe on February 02, 2026, 12:51:33 pm
We should see the original PCN and the NTO please (pl see the forum READ THIS FIRST.. guidance).

Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on February 02, 2026, 07:56:14 am
Would this draft do?

“I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I authorise my husband, ReflectoR, to act as my representative in this appeal, including correspondence and attendance at the hearing.

I am resubmitting his original appeal with this submission

[Original appeal I will paste here]".

Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on February 02, 2026, 07:52:07 am
Okay thank you.

I will send it again, is it worth mentioning we'd like to take it to tribunal as well?
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: RichardW on January 29, 2026, 06:46:49 pm
I don't think there will be another NTO, next will be charge certificate which you can't appeal against. It still appears you can make an appeal on their website, so try sending the reps again, in your wife's name this time...
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on January 29, 2026, 05:40:26 pm
So technically my reps was rejected. But Islington are saying that I can't take it to tribunal because I'm not the owner.

Does this mean I wait for another NTO, and then get my wife to appeal that?

Or do I write back now, and say my wife wants to take it to tribunal?
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: Incandescent on January 26, 2026, 01:06:29 am
I order to register an appeal at the adjudicators, one must first have had reps against a Notice to Owner rejected. The rejection must advise you of your right to adjudication and explain the process.

Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on January 25, 2026, 11:03:14 pm
Thank you.

So would we do this after receiving the next letter, or do we have to do it now?

Since the NTO was already served, and I was the one that responded?
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: Incandescent on January 25, 2026, 11:00:42 pm
Your wife can take the matter to London Tribunals and nominate you as her representative. This needs her to write and sign a letter of authority. Of course a typed letter only needs her signature.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on January 25, 2026, 10:47:49 pm
What should my next steps be? Wait for another letter after the 8th?

Or write authorisation from my wife now?

Either way I wanted to take it to tribunal since it's 110 now anyway.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: MrChips on January 25, 2026, 04:36:21 pm
If the NTO is addressed to your wife, she's legally responsible and the council can't consider representations from another party (without their express authorisation).
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on January 25, 2026, 03:57:38 pm
The NTO was addressed to my wife's name.

I made the "appeal"/representation under my name on their online form.
Title: Re: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: MrChips on January 24, 2026, 08:44:50 pm
Who was the NTO addressed to?
Title: Does this mean I cannot take it to tribunal?
Post by: ReflectoR on January 24, 2026, 07:53:48 pm
Hi everyone.

So I forgot to renew my permit with Islington, and I got a PCN. I appealed, and it got rejected, and I appealed again, and it got rejected again. They sent the NTO, and I sent the same appeal which got rejected as well.

My appeal was that I forgot, but the reason I had forgotten was because when I originally went to renew the Islington permit portal wasn't functioning correctly, can't remember exactly what was wrong, so I was going to try again later. But never did.

I know it's not the best excuse, but I'd like to take it to tribunal anyway. But the rejection to the formal representation seems to suggest I can't? I've pasted it below.

My original submission to the NTO

I would like to clarify the circumstances again, as my concern is that the mitigation I raised has not been fully considered. I attempted to renew my residents’ permit before the PCN was issued; however, the council’s online system repeatedly failed to process the renewal. This technical issue was outside my control, and I took reasonable steps to remain compliant. I urge the council to check its system logs, which should evidence my attempts to renew the permit. I have previously held a valid residents’ permit and had no intention of avoiding payment. I acted in good faith and attempted to renew on time, but was prevented from doing so due to system failure. In addition, I have ADHD, which means that despite making an initial attempt to resolve the issue, I am more prone to forgetting to retry immediately once a system error occurs. This makes it especially important that reasonable adjustments and fairness are applied where renewal was attempted but blocked by circumstances beyond my control. Given these facts, I believe it would be unreasonable and disproportionate to enforce a penalty for a situation caused by the council’s own system preventing renewal. I respectfully ask that this matter be reconsidered in light of fairness.

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