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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: tawnyess on January 23, 2026, 10:02:37 am
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I agree. Not a shared driveway as we'd understand it.
And to be clear one of the 'garages' is yours and the other your in-laws, who can no doubt provide a note giving permission.
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The kerb is dropped to give access to the two garages, so hardly "shared". When one thinks of a shared driveway it is where the driveway is only wide enough for one car, but gives access to two properties adjacent to each other.
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I think you should, if you've not paid.
If you're still in can you take pictures of the kerbside so we can see if this looks a 'shared driveway'.
The law just says:
This exception does not apply in the case of a shared driveway.
An extended length of dropped footway is not a shared driveway in my view.
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Looks like they may have got me in the shared access point? Do you think I should take it to tribunals or..?
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The yellow line argument is nonsense as that's nothing to do with the contravention.
But they now say it's a shared dropped footway but as you have permission for both yours and in-laws I can't see they can win this although they say such permission can't be given. They also did not raise this in the initial rejection.
Also it's not really a shared drive-in - just dropped footway past two units, which aren't even garages.
See what others say.
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Please see attached the my rejected my 2nd appeal notice they are still offering the discount
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Up here they don't enforce private access dropped kerbs unless the property owner requests it. And if a dropped kerb is enforced, it's enforced for everyone, no exceptions for the home owner or guests of the home owner.
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Thank you, it’s too small for modern day cars that’s all I can say. Used to fit my older cars back in the days
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This is pretty much it I think - wait and see if anyone has other things.
One point I think is that this is not a car garage but a storage unit?
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I am repeating that the contravention did not occur as I was parked adjacent to the dropped footway outside my own garage.
You acknowledge this in your rejection of my informal challenge, but say it is still a contravention.
I must therefore point out that the Traffic Management Act 2004 provides for exceptions in section 86 - Prohibition of parking at dropped footways etc. and the relevant exception reads:
The second exception is where the vehicle is parked outside residential premises by or with the consent (but not consent given for reward) of the occupier of the premises.
I trust this is clear and look forward to the speedy cancellation of the PCN.
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I don’t have my exact Inital representation however I wrote that I parked in front of my own drive. Provided them evidence of my v5 and my parking permit as evidence of living there.
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Pl post your initial reps, we need to see the points you made.
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Please see attached notice to owner received today
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Hi yes. Owner of the car. V5c registered to address I parked at in owners name.
OK, so if you are prepared to stand your ground and take them all the way to London Tribunals you now need to wait for the Notice to Owner. This will be sent to the address on your V5C, so check it is totally correct as you don't want to miss it.
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Hi yes. Owner of the car. V5c registered to address I parked at in owners name.
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My view is that the OP should take them all the way to London Tribunals if necessary, but we don't yet know the ownership of the car in relation to the next stage, the Notice to Owner, which is sent by post.
At the moment, the OP has submitted an informal challenge, and received the usual Fob-Off letter sent out for almost all informal challenges. Most people never take matters further and pay the discount, thus reinforcing councils in their essentially unlawful practice, like here, where the car was lawfully parked on the dropped kerb.
So if the owner can tell us whether he owns the car, and the V5C is up-to-date matters can proceed.
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I don't think they could argue it's a shared driveway and they're not saying that anyway.
The law says their rejection is wrong.
I would go on with it but see what others say.
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Sorry. I just said I parked in front of my own house. And gave evidence of living there.
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I should have said post your challenge here first - what was it?
The legislation is clear that this is an exception to the contravention:
The second exception is where the vehicle is parked outside residential premises by or with the consent (but not consent given for reward) of the occupier of the premises.
This exception does not apply in the case of a shared driveway.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/86
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Appeal rejected please see rejection letter attached
https://ibb.co/C31pG8Q9
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Get a statement from in-laws saying they give you permission.
As for their PCN, where exactly was their car.
Note that although the garages may be too small for cars they can accommodate motorbikes.
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My neighbour are my in laws lol and he also got a ticket today parked behind me
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Looks like you are parked across two garages including one that says no parking - could your neighbour have called the council to ticket you?
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My garage is small doesn’t fit my car it would only fit mr beans mini.
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If you were blocking your own driveway, then you should submit reps on that basis. Looks like a new CEO may have been allocated to that particular patrol. Basically, one can park blocking a driveway with the resident's permission. Question is, why not just park your car on your property not in the street ?
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I always park outside my house on a single yellow before the restrictions start I move my car. This is the first time I’ve received a pcn here which I think it’s because of the drop kerb to my own garage. Any luck here?
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