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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: jrob on January 21, 2026, 02:25:11 pm
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So I guess I just pay it? Or what do I say?
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would that decision not be worthy of an appeal on the grounds of miss-applying the law?
All one can do is request a review within 14 days of the decision, and there is no right to one.
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would that decision not be worthy of an appeal on the grounds of miss-applying the law?
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what absolute bollox by Harman. he's suggesting the entire length of the road is the controlled area then eh! assuming the road was a mile long the other vehicle woukd still be "approaching"
surely this must be wrong in law.
I have to agree; there must be some limitation on the obligation to give-way and the signs on each end of the restricted length give that limitation. Consider a motorist who has just turned into Salters Hill and as he completes the turn, vehicles are proceeding through the tunnel in the opposite direction. On Harman's logic, these vehicles are all in contravention, because there is an oncoming vehicle coming towards him. What tosh !!
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what absolute bollox by Harman. he's suggesting the entire length of the road is the controlled area then eh! assuming the road was a mile long the other vehicle woukd still be "approaching"
surely this must be wrong in law.
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Yes the bottom video was allowed by Henry Greenslade.
The top one was refused by Andrew Harman.
This shows that the lottery in a lot of cases is the adjudicator.
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Bottom video - 2250483268 - Greenslade
A contravention can occur is a vehicle is driven so as to fail to give way to oncoming vehicles.
There appears to be no dispute that the vehicle was in Salter's Hill, as shown in the closed circuit television (cctv) images produced by the Enforcement Authority.
The Appellant’s case is that the vehicle in the opposite direction was not yet at the priority point when they began to move forward.
Although the Appellant’s vehicle is seen to pass the sign indicating the requirement, it is by no means clear from the images that the oncoming vehicle had, at that moment, passed the equivalent point on the other side of the bridge.
The Adjudicator is only able decide an appeal by making findings of fact on the basis of the evidence produced by the parties and applying relevant law.
Considering all the evidence before me carefully I cannot find as a fact that, on this particular occasion, a contravention did occur.
Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.
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Top video - 2250483632 - Harman
The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this vehicle, at Salters Hill, failed to give way to oncoming vehicles. On the appellant's case, an approaching vehicle was not close enough to require her to give way to it. The proximity of an approaching vehicle is of no relevance to liability. The test to be applied is whether that other vehicle is 'oncoming'. I am satisfied on the council's video footage of the incident that an approaching vehicle as shown on the footage was 'oncoming'. The appellant was required to wait at the restriction to give way to it. Given she did not do so this contravention has occurred. None of the appellant's submissions raise an exemption or defence to that contravention. The appeal is refused.
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Thanks for your help. Not sure if this is what you meant the payments page because its just 2 fields. (Payments page screensho (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z-vRbu6bhnYjosjT6RxpIMQHONQYzzo1/view?usp=drive_link)t).
There's a representation button though - here's that screenshot (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E4RnesPHrnBsYWOkttyywG2A2mJb4wJC/view?usp=drive_link).
Or maybe you meant the main dashboard page (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a-zJ6RSDDnOfIT563qb_918mLRLsoDYl/view?usp=drive_link)?
The latter.
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Hey, not sure where this leaves us/what to do now... any advice?
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Two cases from yesterday - one allowed, one not. You decide.
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Is one of them this case, because Mr Greenslade's logic is what we have been banging on about for years: -
The Appellant’s case is that the vehicle in the opposite direction was not yet at the priority point when they began to move forward.
Although the Appellant’s vehicle is seen to pass the sign indicating the requirement, it is by no means clear from the images that the oncoming vehicle had, at that moment, passed the equivalent point on the other side of the bridge.
The Adjudicator is only able decide an appeal by making findings of fact on the basis of the evidence produced by the parties and applying relevant law.
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top one i say is allowed bottom one disallowed (the approaching vehicle had to stop)
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Two cases from yesterday - one allowed, one not. You decide.
(https://i.ibb.co/bjXKRfw9/7a9eaac1-3336-4697-bc81-78795f5a818a-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/5WfhXcZ3/130c1707-2d02-46d0-90b1-99325faf363c-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif)
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Thanks for your help. Not sure if this is what you meant the payments page because its just 2 fields. (Payments page screensho (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z-vRbu6bhnYjosjT6RxpIMQHONQYzzo1/view?usp=drive_link)t).
There's a representation button though - here's that screenshot (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E4RnesPHrnBsYWOkttyywG2A2mJb4wJC/view?usp=drive_link).
Or maybe you meant the main dashboard page (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a-zJ6RSDDnOfIT563qb_918mLRLsoDYl/view?usp=drive_link)?
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Website page is still in disarray. Please screenshot the payments page as if to make a representation.
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Yes looking at it again it is in the OP's favour so worth a go on the contravention alone.
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I don't agree, sorry. The oncoming car is shown as just bumping over the speed hump when the OP's car is leaving the narrow part of the carriageway.
Here is the view as one exits the narrow section.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/82Gy6j6S147pkEEX8
The back of the priority sign is seen and also the speed hump. The hump is 17.5 metres away from the priority sign, and it's a 20 mph zone, so the video shows the OP's car was in course of exiting the priority area whilst the oncoming cars just bumping over the speed hump.
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The video won't win you this in my view - some adjudicator do rule in appellants' favour in marginal cases at this location but the oncoming car was too close to the priority area in my view.
Our member Hippo may have something on other matters.
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I received a Moving Traffic Violation PCN for failing to give way on Salter's Hill, Lambeth.
I don't recall the incident, but looking at the video, I think this is wrong/very harsh. The oncoming car had barely made it onto the road by the time I was a few metres (5?) from the Give Way sign, and the car I don't think even had to slow down by the time I had got past the sign on the other side - it certainly didn't have to stop. There was also a car in front of me that would have partially obstructed my view from the oncoming car.
Would appreciate views and advice on dealing with this.
Google Streetview location (https://maps.app.goo.gl/DYByifg7mDkEuqKFA)
Details:
Contravention Code: 37 J - Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles (Camera enforcement)
Date of contravention: 11/01/2026 14:18
Location: Salter's Hill
Date of PCN: 20/01/2026
PCN Letter Pages:
One (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kKm9bwHs0w9YEDWDbMGUeniae_mgmC0l/view?usp=drive_link)
Two (https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ahN-hY-A_d8tyJNJYC0trcjjJE98ZSq/view?usp=drive_link)
Three (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wRXmZydavyDmJrzQgXu8eB0CY2f9tYtR/view?usp=drive_link)
Four (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LGG31k9-I8VaEI1pv2TWoCa2YELO4UwR/view?usp=drive_link)
Images & Video from Portal:
Image 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1acILimtcvkfUCbPHOjOpgq2Q61VwDufx/view?usp=drive_link)
Image 2 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zS7THIhkBKuOu-LJT8IsTB3J8YRJpGzl/view?usp=drive_link)
Image 3 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dAgjZ4pobkNtfAFJDuKu2QWqtaKSETnL/view?usp=drive_link)
Image 4 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lRDVWV5MxNGc-UILPD2_ulbP7MOebKBh/view?usp=drive_link)
Image 5 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/19-fQmQ_syBSMlIeO58ot92MNtvYyFI1J/view?usp=drive_link)
Video 1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QZTOGd8XK19QU3Gye2IZiMZrUVZoyP0y/view?usp=drive_link)