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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: anomalous on January 20, 2026, 02:19:07 pm
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Thank you for your very thorough advice Incandescent.
I will make an appeal referencing the Local Authorities Traffic Orders 1996, and additionally the traffic signs manual 2018.
I am hopeful that a non-biased judge will see that the incorrect signage is likely to trick more motorists, leading to Newham council generating more income than if they had erected the correct signage.
I am concerned if ticking the wrong box for grounds of appeal will make much difference. I am unsure if it should be reason 1 or 5.
Many thanks,
Dave
It doesn't really matter, but I would go for 1, because the signage is inadequate to show the restriction correctly.
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Thank you for your very thorough advice Incandescent.
I will make an appeal referencing the Local Authorities Traffic Orders 1996, and additionally the traffic signs manual 2018.
I am hopeful that a non-biased judge will see that the incorrect signage is likely to trick more motorists, leading to Newham council generating more income than if they had erected the correct signage.
I am concerned if ticking the wrong box for grounds of appeal will make much difference. I am unsure if it should be reason 1 or 5.
Many thanks,
Dave
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Well, they are talking tosh, (as usual !!).
These zones are set up under a Traffic Order, and the council are under a series of duties under the various regulations in the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
The key regulation is found in Regulation 18 which relates to traffic signs. These must be placed so as to give adequate notice of the restriction, (see 18 (1)(a) below)
18.—(1) Where an order relating to any road has been made, the order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to secure—
(a)before the order comes into force, the placing on or near the road of such traffic signs in such positions as the order making authority may consider requisite for securing that adequate information as to the effect of the order is made available to persons using the road; (my bold)
(b)the maintenance of such signs for so long as the order remains in force; and
(c)in a case where the order revokes, amends or alters the application of a previous order, the removal or replacement of existing traffic signs as the authority considers requisite to avoid confusion to road users by signs being left in the wrong positions.
However, they have re-offered the discount. If you decide to take them to London Tribunals, it would be with the full PCN penalty in play. Your representations, like those submitted to the council, are on the basis that the signage is inadequate. However, this is subjective, so you'd have to convince the adjudicator that this is the case, whilst the council will try to say otherwise. The fact they put up an advance sign is in their favour, but the sign not indicating the restriction was beyond a mini-roundabout is against them.
If you win, you pay nothing, if you lost you pay the PCN penalty, but that is all, there are no other costs. The council have to prepare an evidence pack and pay the adjudication fee which they don't like doing, so may not contest, but you won't know until a few days before the adjudication.
So it is your choice, really, risk an extra £80 for an unbiased decision.
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My appeal was rejected by Newham Council. Have attached images of rejection.
Would like to appeal again as I still disagree.
Any further advice appreciated.
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The advance sign is poor, because it doesn't indicate the turn is off the mini-roundabout, it could be a turn beyond the roundabout.
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Good Afternoon,
A PCN has been issued for a new moving traffic contravention zone. I regularly use this street and have been surprised that with almost no visual changes, it has become a pedestrian only zone at school start/end times.
This zone begins on the 2nd exit of a roundabout.
My primary legal argument is that the pre-warning sign on the approach to the roundabout says no right turn at certain times. I feel like this is ambiguous as it shows a straight road with a right turn junction, and is therefore more likely to apply to the straight road along the first exit. The sign does not indicate that the 2nd exit of the roundabout is the beginning of a pedestrian zone. I believe that the signage is incorrect and therefore constitutes insufficient.
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/vXDagQj_xl.jpeg) Approach signage
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/I4LFQHr_xl.jpeg) Beginning of zone:
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/u9bRPPU_xl.jpeg). PCN front
(https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/sCdYdoH_xl.jpeg). PCN Evidence.
Link to Google maps
https://maps.app.goo.gl/hLKhMR4pPcUC2sc3A
I believe the zone to be as new as December 2025.
Aside from the incorrect signage argument, I also feel that there is insufficient signage to indicate a pedestrian only zone. I feel there should be on road markings and larger signage, but am not sure on the legal basis of this as an argument.
My final contest is that after driving into the zone, I took the first immediate left turn and rerouted myself, leaving the zone the way I came in, and never going past the school which the zone has been implemented for. Unsure if this is grounds for argument.
I appreciate any input and help on my situation.
Thanks,
Dave