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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: tommytbone on January 19, 2026, 09:36:09 pm
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I have to say its a money-grubbing PCN ! What conceivable traffic management problem is it addressing ? The space to the left of the car is not a bay and can't be.
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There's a sign on the side of the building beside the 'No Flytipping' notice, but it's not possible to read it on Google maps.
I'll get a picture tomorrow
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Thanks so much for your input here.
I've found some of the documents from when the area was adopted by the council resident parking scheme.
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-10/T52b%2823%29%20-%20Made%20Traffic%20Orders%20%28TMO%29%20-%20WSN%20extn%20off%20street.pdf
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-10/T52%2823%29%20-%20Notice%20of%20Making%20%28NoM%29%20-%20WSN%20extn.pdf
There's more consultation docs on https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/roads-and-pavements/road-traffic-schemes-closed-consultations
Under section '52b(23) Housing estates:
WSN CPZ extension into off street parking areas off Stocksfield Road, permit holders only (made orders, proposed orders 20 July 2023)"
Sorry if this is too much! Permits are all digital now, so don't have any terms I can find on the Ring-go app
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There's a sign on the side of the building beside the 'No Flytipping' notice, but it's not possible to read it on Google maps.
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What are the terms of your permit. Anything about how and where you need to park?
The road is in a controlled parking zone and usually they wouldn't allow on-street permit holders to park in an off-street estate and vice versa.
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They've given an off-street contravention which means you were in a car park, and that's confirmed by their on-street traffic order map which shows nothing but a gap there.
But a car park must have a terms board telling you what conditions apply to park there and what penalties there could be, and there doesn't seem to be one.
What's also odd is that the permit parking sign seems to be the same as the one opposite, which is on-street - can you park there too with your permit?
(https://i.ibb.co/bMGm17Cn/Screenshot-2026-01-19-at-22-25-52.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gf92QpB9/Screenshot-2026-01-19-at-22-18-43.png)
Interesting. and Yes, the same permit for all streets in the area 'Wood street North' it's called.
The signs are the same yes, no further signs around for this little section
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They've given an off-street contravention which means you were in a car park, and that's confirmed by their on-street traffic order map which shows nothing but a gap there.
But a car park must have a terms board telling you what conditions apply to park there and what penalties there could be, and there doesn't seem to be one.
What's also odd is that the permit parking sign seems to be the same as the one opposite, which is on-street - can you park there too with your permit?
(https://i.ibb.co/bMGm17Cn/Screenshot-2026-01-19-at-22-25-52.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gf92QpB9/Screenshot-2026-01-19-at-22-18-43.png)
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Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) Number: FR67606846
Vehicle Registration Number: PY60KGA
86 Not parked correctly within the markings of a bay or space
https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/PCN/
Over zealous enforcement officer got me today. Can a PCN of this sort be challenged? Its the end bay with nothing but empty space after it and one tyre over the bay. I'm following the paving edge, not the white line (see my pic below or pics in the PCN).
A bit of context which make it even more frustrating - Outside our flats we have a rombus shaped area to park. These bays only started being managed by the council 2 years ago, and the white bays you see in the pics were added at this time. Before that, we had no bays and room for 10 cars to park, following the shape of the area and cars parking diagonally filling up the rombus shaped area (i hope that makes sense).
Since the council took over the space (after a consultation with (naive) residents they got the majority) they painted in new white bays perpendicular to top edge - which left 9 spaces and two dead areas on either end.
Basically on the first space i've turned in following my year long muscle memory of following the shape of the paving stone edging not the new white bays and my passenger side rear wheel is over the white line. Never been a problem in last 2 years but this officer got me today.
What do you think? Any other details/advice would be greatly appreciated.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOAKJShyGXKOttIS7D7h_xg6dvd0sOjLXNkVDr9g9oavVTmazQrLflIaLiV9fPOcAEXnSuijaTVcCKKi0csL3GxIxn0husLOBtgVkraRzyXU3xDW5u083w71UOik9cuMrp5SJt3CaLU99dLIWJM_Ldzcw=w1028-h1370-s-no-gm?authuser=0)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOLiO1irqtdxIN3BFAM64jCVXGBr_AMq7YVBbecp4w5Ea_IBT8B-U7SEqAVrNZ94Q_GpPb9Z882LKZuH6NWuw56ETBCyNEUtdEhBcsKYwkcZ4Ix_ibooIfLosXK25H3xCrq4BV9V_OOOzf-9LWb-Bn7lg=w1028-h1370-s-no-gm?authuser=0)
Here's the streetview of the first parking bay I used: https://maps.app.goo.gl/GfaZ3PRSbkJVoJck9