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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Kompressor on January 18, 2026, 05:54:38 pm
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18.—(1) Where an order relating to any road has been made, the order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to secure—
(a)before the order comes into force, the placing on or near the road of such traffic signs in such positions as the order making authority may consider requisite for securing that adequate information as to the effect of the order is made available to persons using the road;
(b)the maintenance of such signs for so long as the order remains in force; and
(c)in a case where the order revokes, amends or alters the application of a previous order, the removal or replacement of existing traffic signs as the authority considers requisite to avoid confusion to road users by signs being left in the wrong positions.
Advance warning signs tend to be of two types, (1) text on a blue background with sometimes an arrow indicating next turn left or right, and (2) diagram of junction in black on a white background with the barred street have the Flying Motorbike sign. I consider (2) is best.
If you submit reps to Haringey within the discount period, they normally re-offer the discount when rejecting to encourage you to settle the matter. If you take them to London Tribunals they have the PITA of having to prepare an evidence pack and to pay the adjudication fee.
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Noted, I did look around as I know there may be surprises but never saw this coming.
A few questions here:
- What does an advance warning sign look like, same as the warning on the street but also highlighting that it's for the left turn?
- The page you linked to has a lot of legal speak there, which line specifically mentiones adequate signage?
- If they reject, could I still pay the reduced rate or have to go to tribunal?
Thanks so much!
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Oh dear, yet another sat-nav assisted PCN ! Using these devices on local streets in London is not recommended because they are always out-of-date. Even if you updated yours yesterday, the base data can be months or even years out of date, and some satnavs don't even have this info anyway.
In your favour is the absence of an advance warning sign, so I suggest you submit representations that you are unfamiliar to the locality and therefore would have expected the council to provide an advance warning sign of the approaching restriction, because by the time the signs are visible to a motorist turning left, it is too late to change direction without suddenly stopping and potentially causing an accident.
Councils have a duty under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to erect adequate signage of a traffic restriction.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
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Hey all,
So just got this in the mail. So I was essentially following Myddleton road using navigation and it told me to take a left onto Marlborough road. As soon as I started turning I noticed the sign which limits cars and bikes unless having a permit. It was too late to do anything anyway so I carried on. Anything that could be done here?
This is the point, I essentially took a left here. https://maps.app.goo.gl/y9uzjpbXsyaZsXQ39
Here is the PCN, photos and video
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvRm5PdZJ60
Cheers!