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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: blovers on January 16, 2026, 09:04:47 am
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And what is the relevance of the subjective concept of reasonableness?
Reasonableness - if these two images are of the same car and are not manipulated, then reasonableness would suggest many other people have had a similar discrepency between daylight and IR images. Hopefully those people will comment accordingly.
Reasonableness - a measure of whether a matter can be reasoned.
Is it reasonable to accpet that these two images were taken at the same time and location - can a reason be given as to why no normal number plate of any can kind can be discerned in the daylight image, whilst the IR image shows a number plate.
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What is a “PCN business”?
Penalty Charge Notices are managed by a business contracted by my local council.
Most businesses maximise profit opportunities - I have appealed several PCNs recently in North London, which were accepted. My experience is that I am being issued more PCNs which are marginal, based on my fact based experience.
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And what is the relevance of the subjective concept of reasonableness?
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What is a “PCN business”?
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I received a PCN with online 'evidence' only, showing a Seat entering a restricted Low Traffic Neighbourhood. The Seat was a different model and colour to mine and my appeal was granted.
The video in good daylight shows a car with no apparent number plate turning into a prohibited road. There is a very dark infra-red image which shows a rear plate number matching mine, appearing above where the plate is usually mounted. I've masked much of the plate in the IR image.
(https://i.ibb.co/XrjfYYvg/car-in-PCN-video-2025-12-11-15-33-38.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/b5pJbt7P/Screenshot-A.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/dwwKPChY/IR-plate-section.png)
IR imaging is valuable at night or where there is glare from headlights or sunlight.
I this instance it was bright but flat daylight - not night-time, no headlights, no glare.
The number plates of vehicles parked further away are visible to some degree.
Is such a discrepency between the daylight and IR image reasonable?
My concern is that this could be open to abuse in terms of a PCN business pixelating out a regular plate of a permit holder and inserting a number from a car captured by ANPR in the neighbourhood.
It also seems odd to me for the following reasons:
It happened on a rare day I was close to the junction. Statistically odd.
The PCN did not include any images - usually they do - was the PCN business aware that this wasn't my car, hoping I would just pay rather than look at the online evidence - many people just pay i beleive.
Why would someone using a cloned plate, aparently not have any plate visible in daylight? This would attract more attention than having a cloned plate.
Why would someone using a cloned plate install one that shows in IR images?
Why would someone clone the number plate of a different model and colour to that of their own car?
This is such a grey area of plausable deniability.
I've asked for the original videos and images.
I would be interested in any comments on the IR/daylight images, cloning & potential fraud by this PCN business.
Many thanks