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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: TheParkingmeister on January 13, 2026, 03:30:21 pm
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Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose by appealing to London Tribunal.
Don't appeal by post, send the completed forms by email to queries@londontribunals.org.uk
If you'd like me to represent you don't send any forms anywhere and please contact me directly.
I will have to email it, but our head office lost the sodding forms :-\
If the NoR is issued/posted on Thursday 18th December, it would not be deemed to be served until the second working day after, right? So, it is deemed to have been served Monday the 22nd.
The Tribunal appeal has to be delivered within 28 days. So, I would be pushing my luck sending it by post.
Also, I called TfL yesterday, they told me I can send in my appeal to London Tribunal without the forms. They didn't fill me with confidence but don't have much choice.
Thanks for the offer to represent, but I am an employee of a company so it's not upto me.
Lastly, what would the adjudicators test be for this contravention and appeal? As in, is the test whether a reasonable driver seeing the right turn arrow could miss or understand the upright signs on the traffic lights? That is what happened. But I can't deny that the driver should have seen and understood the upright signs on the lights, but evidently the road marking diverted his attention to safely making the manoeuvre and complying with the yellow box junction whilst waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic in order to safely make the right turn and also clear the box junction
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Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose by appealing to London Tribunal.
Don't appeal by post, send the completed forms by email to queries@londontribunals.org.uk
If you'd like me to represent you don't send any forms anywhere and please contact me directly.
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No point in paying now if the amount is £160.
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TfL essentially have said that yes. But would the London Tribunal? We know TfL don't have the greatest understanding of traffic contraventions, they reject appeals that would win at Tribunal everyday of the week except Sunday, but twice on Monday.
The road markings clearly contradict the signs on the traffic lights, had the road markings had supplementary writing saying "RIGHT TURN BUSES ONLY" I might be more accepting.
Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose by appealing to London Tribunal.
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I see the clear arrow with a right turn on it as well. This looks quite new, so the implication is the highways department have re-painted the road markings but have not checked whether they still apply, which the signs on the traffic light heads contradict. They'll probably say "ah well, the right turn indication is for the buses" which are allowed to turn right.
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Please post a GSV link to the location.
Is it not in my post, it should be. https://maps.app.goo.gl/d5z3qWk9GXry8xPo6?g_st=ac
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I am reliably informed that at the final stages their website is a serious issue re dates of increase.
@cp8759 ?
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Please post a GSV link to the location.
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I have this PCN for a driver at work from TfL for a 50r Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn). Going along Camden Road, there is crossroads with St Pancras Way. Now, approaching these lights in the left lane is a forward arrow. In the right of the two lanes is a forward arrow with a right arrow coming off it (as one symbol/marking) - https://maps.app.goo.gl/9vGtueZmyfYycfbT6?g_st=ac
I understand that the signs on the traffic lights indicating no right turn onto St Pancras Way are statutory directions and may take precedent over road markings, but surely the road markings should not straight up contradict the signs, that just seems wrong. I had appealed it which I have linked below and they rejected it and provide FOI requested data that I never requested. There is also just two cases on the London Tribunals register of appeals for CAMDEN ROAD NORTHBOUND JW ST PANCRAS WAY, both were from 2025 and both allowed as TfL decided to DNC. One of those appeals was from a company so I have contacted them to ask what their grounds of appeal were for the appeal.
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if I can win this appeal. Common sense and the requirements for signage and road markings to be clear and not ambiguous tells me this isn't right.
TfL PCN - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HY17COjevhWIoleFtr0sI_vc0S5MTZEu/view?usp=drivesdk
My appeal letter - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tuYjFxawYq8U7VNbVex04HLLbRkIIwIK/view?usp=drivesdk
Notice of Rejection - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vSx6Y1F_7RTWlzU81PuDbCD68fMTni2y/view?usp=drivesdk
FOI & TRO - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIbAhVPBucngsxZ13aNSca2NBMX7m-QY/view?usp=drivesdk