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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: A64NORTH on November 15, 2023, 04:36:14 pm
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Accepted: hearing to take place.
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Did you ask for a costs listing?
Great minds think alike. Just done. :o
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Did you ask for a costs listing?
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Definitely costs.
Hope so if the OP agrees.
Status: Your appeal has been decided
Your appeal application is decided so you can no longer upload evidence
Hearing was to be next week!
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Not anymore. As of today:
Status:
Your appeal has been decided
Your appeal application is decided so you can no longer upload evidence
;D
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Definitely costs.
I see they are attending.
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Definitely costs.
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The Council advises that the contents of a Bus Lane PCN is outlined in Statutory Instrument 2007/3483, Schedule, Paragraph 2, and we are satisfied that both the PCN and the Enforcement Notice comply fully with current legislation. :D ;D ::) :P ??? :-[ :'(
They also adduced a PAD 020 certificate for parking contravention: Bosch.
I am not a betting person. But:
1. They will continue?
2. They will DNC?
3. Notwithstanding 1 and 2: costs?
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cp8759 was not joking! Their case is riddled with errors. More to follow.
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It is Tribunal time. Tosh reply. 2007 regulations=parking law! I will e mail you. As cp said earlier: fun time.
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1wUc7DJPS63H6oW8
Location I turned into from highgate road.
Thank you
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/653fd21815099000124bf73d/approved-devices-granted-to-manufacturers.ods
So I make out the camera to be a Bosch unless I am mistaken. ;D :o
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Please may I have responses to the following:
1. The number of bus lanes on Highgate Road.
There are 3 bus lanes on Highgate Road.
3. The name and model of each camera which captures images at each location.
Bus Lane 19 - LaneWatch Mk.3 HD
Bus Lane 19 - Bosch LTC 600
Bus Lane 20 - Bosch LTC 610
Bus Lane 21 - Bosch LTC 610
FOIR above in part. PM sent.
VCA certificates state: Yunex(Zenco)Zengrab & fixed cameras.
@OP: polite reminder that day 1 of deemed service of the EN is 8th December.
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The EN states this under The contravention has already been dealt with:
Please supply proof that the Penalty Charge has already been paid or that a warning has been issued by police/traffic warden/civil enforcement officer.
The law states this @ https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/section/9/enacted
9 Penalty charge not payable in certain cases
No penalty charge shall be payable under this Part of this Act in respect of any conduct where—
(a)a notice is given to the driver under section 54(2) or (4) of the [1988 c. 53.] Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 in respect of a bus lane offence constituted by that conduct; or
(b)notification of an intention to prosecute the driver in respect of such an offence is given by the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis or of the City of London to the council of the borough in which the alleged offence took place before the expiry of the period of 14 days, beginning with the day on which the alleged offence takes place.
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Thanks. Problem is: if the OP (as per my advice) is going to claim inexact locus, the least said about signage the better at this stage. I say let them prove their case.
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Signage is inadequate. Sure I dealt with a similar case a decade ago and the signage was also not good enough then.
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E mail sent to OP.
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Ok, time to be incognito and advise privately.
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I have seen the Enforcement Notice. Vague locus plus any ideas from Mr Mustard will be most welcome.
Suggested draft:
Vague locus.
Strict proof re camera authorisation.
The PCN has been dealt with?
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I have recently made a challenge at this location for a skip lorry who turned left which was part of my challenge. Also the lack of a no steeper than 1 in 10 painted taper, possibly no sign and a vaguely stated location. The response may help in this case.
Thank you. Sorry for the late response.
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Please may I have responses to the following:
1. The number of bus lanes on Highgate Road.
There are 3 bus lanes on Highgate Road.
3. The name and model of each camera which captures images at each location.
Bus Lane 19 - LaneWatch Mk.3 HD
Bus Lane 19 - Bosch LTC 600
Bus Lane 20 - Bosch LTC 610
Bus Lane 21 - Bosch LTC 610
FOIR above in part. PM sent.
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I have recently made a challenge at this location for a skip lorry who turned left which was part of my challenge. Also the lack of a no steeper than 1 in 10 painted taper, possibly no sign and a vaguely stated location. The response may help in this case.
Very useful, thanks.
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I have recently made a challenge at this location for a skip lorry who turned left which was part of my challenge. Also the lack of a no steeper than 1 in 10 painted taper, possibly no sign and a vaguely stated location. The response may help in this case.
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Thank you.
I was on the same stretch of road yesterday and whilst waiting for the traffic to move saw two cars do exactly the same thing I did.
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Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[
Just seen this. No idea; but, I see cp has done it. Thanks.
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Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[
I have redacted your address from the post above.
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Thank you Hippocrates, I really appreciate your help, however cam you instruct me on deleting
the post with my details visible, I have been trying for 40 minutes and can't see a delete button under the message. :-[
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Just had a look at the video again. What a collage of road legends! This is a mean PCN. FOIR sent and I will report back. PM sent re redacting personal details.
Becoming a poet: The fun has begun! ::)
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This is the applicable regulatory sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dZAhdPNznEH2j2xH7
I'll let Hippocrates sort this one out, I'm sure he'll have fun with Camden. Although I have to say, they probably won't turn up!
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Oh no for some reason I had 28 days in my mind. Thank you for the offer of help I hope whoever deals with the appeal it is in a good mood.
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You are now past the 14 days so may as well wait for the Enforcement Notice. Please do not write to the council now. We will suggest valid representations when you receive it. I am happy to take this one on should it go the full distance. In my view, the PCN is potentially flawed for various reasons.
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/h1wUc7DJPS63H6oW8
Location I turned into from highgate road.
Thank you
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Hello
Re PCN
There are only 2 pages the front and back are uploaded.
We need the exact location on google street view in order to investigate the camera issue. Assuming you actually know where this is?
If you don't know / can't work it out, please say so.
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The sign at the junction is twisted. Cp's point re locus is how many other bus lanes are there on this stretch of road? I think!
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Hello
Re PCN
There are only 2 pages the front and back are uploaded.
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The contravention has already been dealt with.
By whom? ::)
Complete and utter cryptic nonsense.
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Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQYfaSH8bY
Please post up the remaining pages of the PCN please.
The first issues that come to mind are vague locus and camera authorisation.
Please give us a link to the exact location on google street view.
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I made a left turn from Highgate road due to a very long tailback. The end of bus lane sign is situated on the lane after the turning I made. I had no idea I couldn't turn there since it is a road which leads to one parallel to the one I came off of.
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