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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: welsh91 on January 04, 2026, 03:15:51 pm
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Thank you.
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I'll PM you my details as it is very clearly Tribunal time.
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Thank you both for your help. Really appreciate it.
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Looking at the contravention again it does seem rather unfair - the crucial factor is could you have reasonably stopped at the edge of the box, and I think you could given the lights were changing on your approach.
But it is very bad practice to put a crossing just beyond the box, and if the light had stayed green longer and then changed a bit later you have expectation the car ahead was proceeding through a green light.
Redbridge has recently scrapped two boxes where there was similar juxtaposition I think that caused confusion.
I'll have a look at the register.
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Prod me. I will do a draft later having won a case recently v them.
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The contravention is not in dispute so only the paperwork could save you - our member Hippo is up to speed on this
As Havering do not offer the discount on rejection you may as well appeal it whatever.
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Hi Folks. I am looking for some advice regarding a 31J Yellow box alleged contravention.
I already appealed and I was unsuccessful, I received the Notice of rejection on 19th December 2025.
Based on research I have done, I argued –
1) That the contravention didn’t occur as there was a bus that blocked the view of my car so it was impossible to see whether the exit was clear upon entry.
2) Also, the camera shows that three cars let out the junction so I wasn’t actually blocking anything.
3) Procedural defects:
• The PCN lists as a ground:
“The traffic order (except where it is an order made under Schedule 9 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) which is alleged to have been contravened is invalid.”
This is incorrect, as yellow box (31J) contraventions are enforced under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) and do not rely on any traffic order. Including this ground is misleading and constitutes procedural impropriety, as it could confuse motorists about the legislation under which they are being charged.
• The “making representations” section repeats this traffic order ground alongside other irrelevant parking-related wording, which fails to clearly inform motorists of the actual statutory grounds applicable.
• I also note that the council’s website / PCN policy document lists statutory grounds for representations, including:
o Vehicle permitted to remain at rest by someone in control without owner’s consent (parking-type wording)
o Traffic order invalid
o Procedural impropriety
o Other irrelevant or duplicative grounds
These online grounds are inaccurate and misleading for moving-traffic 31J offences. The council’s website lists statutory grounds for representations that include parking-related or other irrelevant grounds which do not apply to moving traffic contraventions such as a 31J yellow box offence. This creates confusion for motorists and fails to clearly convey the actual statutory grounds under which a representation can be made, constituting procedural impropriety. Including irrelevant grounds on the PCN, in the representation form, and on the council website creates confusion and uncertainty, further demonstrating procedural impropriety.
• Additionally, the PCN fails to explicitly include procedural impropriety as a statutory ground in the PCN wording itself, as required under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003. This omission compounds the procedural defects.
Unfortunately they rejected my appeal. Do I have a case? Please see the link below showing my PCN Letter and Notice of rejection. Please see the following video link
https://parking.havering.gov.uk/pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=NOTICEREVIEW
PCN Number: HG62554052
Reg: LX16 DDF
PCN Notices (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ILfn99xJFrctSanSKr3Knkql8qMe__zi?usp=sharing)
Any help or guidance on my next appeal would be greatly appreciated.